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From: "PUBYAC: PUBlic librarians serving Young Adults and
Children" <pubyac@prairienet.org>
To: "PUBYAC: PUBlic librarians serving Young Adults and Children"
<pubyac@prairienet.org>
Sent: Tuesday, June 19, 2001 11:01 PM
Subject: PUBYAC digest 479
PUBYAC Digest 479
Topics covered in this issue include:
1) re: Teacher's Collections [PUBYAC digest 476]
by "Sean P. S. George" <sgeorge@stcharles.lib.la.us>
2) RE: Eensy, weensy or Itsy, bitsy
by "Denise P. Stout" <dpstout@ccls.org>
3) Re: Fairy Tales
by Jennifer Baker <jbaker93711@yahoo.com>
4) Re: circulation of 398s
by Smith <lsmith@suffolk.lib.ny.us>
5) RE: Brown Bear question
by "Smith, Barbara" <BSmith@mail.sppl.net>
6) Re: Fairy Tales
by "Lorie J. O'Donnell" <odonnell@midyork.lib.ny.us>
7) color book Thanks!
by Andrea Terry <cavgrads97@yahoo.com>
8) colored sand
by smellott@co.wake.nc.us
9) Peace Resources
by Patrick Baker <PBAKER@dallaslibrary.org>
10) supply budgets
by "Debbie Robitaille" <debbier@cclib.org>
11) Stumper - Spiders & Bananas
by M Cinnella/Gulf Beaches Library <cinnelm@snoopy.tblc.org>
12) stumper--gray pumpkin
by Jacobs <ljacobs@suffolk.lib.ny.us>
13) Stumper -- Dog wants to be an Egg
by "Grant, Sara" <scgrant@city.surrey.bc.ca>
14) Stumper
by Leslie Johnson <ljohnson@jefferson.lib.co.us>
15) Stumper Solved
by Jennifer Parker <jmpwel@yahoo.com>
16) Parental limits on children's cards
by Lori Pulliam <pulliaml@sls.lib.il.us>
17) Re: Revisiting Library Pets
by Sallywilms@aol.com
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From: "Sean P. S. George" <sgeorge@stcharles.lib.la.us>
To: <jimcasey@lib.oak-lawn.il.us>
Subject: re: Teacher's Collections [PUBYAC digest 476]
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<snip>
When teacher's obtain a raise following a strike and
end up making an AVERAGE of $71,000 per year,
<snip>
Pardon my possible ignorance, but surely this is not the national average
salary for teachers. Given the near-poverty level of teacher salaries
in
parts of my home state of Louisiana (and other states that I know of),
there must be some states where teachers are paid like doctors in order for
this average to be so high.
While I can appreciate some of the points in your argument about some
teachers' unrealistic expectations of public libraries, I still get a
pretty "adversarial vibe" from most of your posting. As a
former classroom
teacher who is now a public librarian, I can say that both professions
share many similar problems when it comes to funding, recognition, etc.
Since this list has a nationwide (or perhaps international) membership, I
suspect that many of our readers are rather surprised by some of the
examples from your local/regional experience. Or perhaps yours is the
prevalent attitude and I am just misinformed.
At any rate, I'm still amazed that there are any teachers in the $71,000
salary bracket.
Wow.
<><><><><><><>
Sean P. S. George
Youth Services Librarian
St. Charles Parish Library (La.)
sgeorge@stcharles.lib.la.us
985-785-8464
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From: "Denise P. Stout" <dpstout@ccls.org>
To: "'pubyac@prairienet.org'"
<pubyac@prairienet.org>
Subject: RE: Eensy, weensy or Itsy, bitsy
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Date: Tue, 19 Jun 2001 09:36:42 CDT
Susan, I think this is a regional thing. I've seen Eentsy, Weentsy,
Itsy,
Bitsy, even Inky, Dinky. It depends on where you grew up......Now, to
find
documentation for that.......I was raised in Southwestern PA and I'm an
Eensty, Weentsy person. Okay, not literally, but you know what I mean!
;D
Denise M. Pulgino Stout
Youth Services Outreach Librarian
Chester County Library
610-280-2672
dpstout@ccls.org
Why do dragons have long tails? They can't remember short stories!
"Outside of a dog, a book is a man's best friend. Inside of a
dog, it's too
dark to read." Groucho Marx
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Susan Dailey [SMTP:obldailey@onlyinternet.net]
> Sent: Monday, June 18, 2001 8:25 AM
> To: pubyac@prairienet.org
> Subject: re: Eensy, weensy or Itsy, bitsy
>
> I hesitate to post this question because it doesn't begin to compare to
> whether we should loan teacher collections or have animals in the
library.
> However, I'm curious whether people on the listserv use a fingerplay
about
> an "Eensy, Weensy Spider" or one about an "Itsy, Bitsy
Spider." If you
> respond, please do so directly to me. Also let me know where you
were
> raised. (I don't really think that has much to do with it though
since my
> adult daughter sings about an "Itsy Bitsy Spider" while I
have an "Eensy,
> Weensy" one.)
>
> Thanks in advance for satisfying my curiosity,
>
> Susan Dailey
> librarian and author of A Storytime Year
> Ossian Branch Library
> 207 N. Jefferson St. Ossian, IN 46777
> obldailey@wellscolibrary.org
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From: Jennifer Baker <jbaker93711@yahoo.com>
To: pubyac@prairienet.org
Subject: Re: Fairy Tales
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Date: Tue, 19 Jun 2001 09:37:21 CDT
I inherited a collection that has the 398s separated.
I have mixed feelings as to whether I like it but it
does help them circulation-wise. Basically they are
between the end of our picture books and the beginning
of the nonfiction. They still have the 398 dewey
assignments, they are just kept separate.
Jennifer Baker
Fresno Co. Library
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From: Smith <lsmith@suffolk.lib.ny.us>
To: Cathy Norman <csn71650@hotmail.com>
Subject: Re: circulation of 398s
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Date: Tue, 19 Jun 2001 09:37:50 CDT
The best way to get anything to circulate is to display books cover out.
If your stacks would work with them, check the Demco catalog
(1-800-356-1200) for item number P141-0650:
Acrylic shelf-end display bins.
They hook onto the end of the stack and can be stocked (4 or 5 books deep)
with books, covers facing out.
Anything you highlight this way will fly off the shelves.
Lisa Smith
lsmith@suffolk.lib.ny.us
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From: "Smith, Barbara" <BSmith@mail.sppl.net>
To: "'pubyac@prairienet.org'"
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Subject: RE: Brown Bear question
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I have a copy of the board book with me right now and it says teacher.
I
would think that in some cases possibly the board book was changed to Mother
because board books tend to to used by very young children who are not yet
in school or even preschool and the concept of teacher may not be as
relevant as the concept of mother. Just a guess!
-----Original Message-----
From: Shalar Brown [mailto:SHBROWN@iowa-city.lib.ia.us]
Sent: Monday, June 18, 2001 11:20 AM
To: pubyac@prairienet.org
Subject: Brown Bear question
Hello! I was reading Bill Martin, Jr's "Brown Bear, Brown bear, what do
you
see? this morning at a program for infants and parents from the hardover
edition. Many of them commented that they had read the board book edition
and that in that version instead of "Mother, Mother, what do you
see?" it
says, "Teacher, teacher..." I hadn't paid that much attention to
the board
book when I'd seen it and we don't have it at our library so I can't
confirm, but I wondered if anyone out there knows WHY it was changed to
"teacher" from "mother." The group was just curious.
Thanks!
Shalar Brown
Iowa City Public Library
Iowa City, IA
shbrown@iowa-city.lib.ia.us
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From: "Lorie J. O'Donnell" <odonnell@midyork.lib.ny.us>
To: <pubyac@prairienet.org>
Subject: Re: Fairy Tales
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We file ours with the non-fiction, 398.2. They have great circ, and I
use
them regularly in different displays.
Lorie
Lorie J. O'Donnell
Jervis Public Library Children's Room
Rome, NY 13440
Life, like a dome of many-colored glass,
stains the white radiance of eternity.
-----Percy B. Shelley "Adonais"
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From: Andrea Terry <cavgrads97@yahoo.com>
To: pubyac@prairienet.org
Subject: color book Thanks!
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Date: Tue, 19 Jun 2001 09:39:52 CDT
Thank you ALL SOOO much for making my SRP intro
meeting a success. I chose Mouse Paint and My Many
Colored Days to read--they were great.
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Andrea Terry
Libby Memorial Library
Old Orchard Beach, Maine
cavgrads97@yahoo.com
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From: smellott@co.wake.nc.us
To: pubyac@prairienet.org
Subject: colored sand
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Date: Tue, 19 Jun 2001 09:40:14 CDT
Hello,
About a month ago there were 2 postings about making colored sand. I am
interested. Please someone tell me how much sand, how much alcohol and how
much food coloring I need. I will have about 50 children divided into
2
different programs. Thanks so much!
Sue M.
smellott@ co. wake.nc.us
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From: Patrick Baker <PBAKER@dallaslibrary.org>
To: "'pubyac@prairienet.org
'" <pubyac@prairienet.org>
Subject: Peace Resources
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Dear Great Minds,
Thank you for your contributions. Your suggestions and advice was
greatly
appreciated!
Below you will find the letter I sent to the organization explaining what I
proposed to do with the children and how they could help. Also, a link to a
web page I have been working on for sometime for teachers and librarians.
And of course, on this page you will find the list of books and suggestions.
Again thanks for your support,
Patrick
Dear Tracye,
How are you? First, I apologize for the delay in sending you these
applications. I am really looking forward to working with you and the
kids.
I have given the program more thought since our last telephone conversation
and things are coming together nicely. You have been so accommodating
and
please let me know your thoughts on this revised reading program plan.
I thought that the program might be titled "Journey's of the
Heart".
I do want as many kids to be involved as possible, but we must limit the
number to about 15 due to the number of available materials for each child.
Since we will be discussing serious issues that I hope children are
concerned about and find engaging, I must raise the age of the participants,
once again. I believe that the program is most appropriate for 10-15
year
olds. And because the program hinges on conflict, the language in some
of
the works we will be reading contains profanity that may be upsetting to
parents and some young readers. However, the reality is that violence
can
be ugly. Therefore, I hope that you will take care of obtaining
parental
permission of all participants.
As mentioned previously: the kids will be reading about 100 pages per week.
However, many of these pages will come from 32 page picture books.
This is a raw outline of the program:
 The program will begin on June 5, 2001, on this date at 2pm.
All
the participants will meet me at the J. Eric Jonsson Central Library in the
Children's Center, which is on the second floor. We will go through
the
introductions, tour the Center and discuss the program. The children
will
watch a short film on discrimination (Sneetches by Dr. Seuss). We will
also
create handpuppets and begin to explore feelings and emotions. Two
guest
speakers will speak on issues of violence and children in Romania and
Liberia.
 On June 12, 2001 a probation officer and a deputy sheriff will
be
the guest speakers, they will discuss what they have seen in the way of
violence and children. We will discuss readings and journal entries.
We
will also share short stories and poems.
 On June 19, 2001 we will begin to explore conflict resolution
in
the readings and the participants journals. Two speakers will come and
discuss conflict resolution with participants. The focus of the
journals at
this time will be on observed conflict resolutions.
***********************June 26, 2001 NO MEETING************************
 On July 3, 2001 participants will be partnered and will begin
to
create web pages relating to the readings or one of the program themes
(violence, conflict resolution, or peace). Readings will be discussed.
 On July 10, 2001 we will visit and discuss on-line memorials.
The
participants are encouraged to visit any memorial and report findings back
to the group. Guest speakers will discuss how they create peace in
their
lives.
 On July 17, 2001 we will discuss readings and participants will
share web pages and there own "concrete" designs/ideas/thoughts on
one
aspect of the program i.e., violence, conflict resolution, or peace.
Tracey, because much of the work of the children will involve reading
electronic resources, my supervisor and I think it may be best that the
program take place here at the Central Library.
In closing, I have several favors to ask you: I was wondering if the Boy's
and Girl's Club could provide the youngsters with spiral notebooks and help
with snacks? Also, is it possible for the Boy's and Girl's Club to
help
with providing tangible incentives? Also, we had discussed the children
having access to the art materials and the art teacher, will this still be
available? Maybe, we can create an art materials container that may
reside
at the library for 6 weeks.
I hope to hear from you soon. Take care.
Sincerely,
Patrick Baker
Children's Librarian
Dallas Public Library
1515 Young Street
Dallas, TX 75201
214.670.1671
Peace Web page in progress
http://leep.lis.uiuc.edu/seworkspace/pbbaker/homeunit1.htm
READING LIST & SUGGESTED WEB LINKS
Alloway, Lawrence. Violent America: The Movies 1946-1964
Babbitt, Ellen. The Jatakas: Tales of India, (Selected stories)
Bambara, Toni Cade. The Lesson
Bonsall, Crosby. It's Mine! (Harper & Row Publishers, 1964).
Bunting, Eve. Smoky Night 1994
Bunting, Eve. Terrible Things: An Allegory of the Holocaust
Coerr, Eleanor. Sadako and the Thousand Cranes
Coerr, Eleanor. Sadako
*Conly, Leslie. Crazy Lady 1993
Durell, Ann and Sachs, M. ed. The Big Book For Peace.
Farr, Dennis. Francis Bacon: A Retrospective
*Flake, Sharon. The Skin I'm In 1998
Fleischman, Paul. Seedfolks 1997
Hamanaka, Sheila. Peace Crane
Kundera, Milan editor. Bacon: Portraits and Self Portraits
Leiris, Michael. Francis Bacon
Mahy, Margaret. Beaten By a Balloon
Maruki, Toshi. Hiroshima No Pika
Mazer, Anne. America Street: A Multicultural Anthology of Stories, (Selected
Stories)
Langston Hughes's short story "Thank You, Ma'am."
*Myers, Walter Dean. Monster
New York Graphics Society. Man Through His Art. Vol. 1 War and
Peace.
*Paulsen, Gary. The Monument
Philbin, Marianne. The Ribbon: A Celebration of Life.
Puente, Joaquin. Guernica: the Making of a Painting
Rolling Stone. Cobain
Ross, Jim. Dear Oklahoma City: Get Well Soon
Seuss, Dr. The Sneetches and Other Stories (Random House, 1988).
Shange, Ntosake. White Wash 1997
Shakur, Tupac. The Rose that Grew Through Concrete
Strasser, Todd. Give a Boy a Gun
Stewart, Gary. The Other America: Teens in Prison
Vigna, Judith. I Wish Daddy Didn't Drink So Much 1988
Vigna, Judith. Black Like Kyra White Like Me by Judith Vigna 1992
Voight, Cynthia. Izzy Willy Nilly
*Wilson, Jacqueline. Bad Girls. 2001 (162pp)
Winthrop, Elizabeth. Katherine's Doll (E.P. Dutton, 1983).
*Wolff, Virginia Euwer. True Believer 2001
Yashimo, Taro. Crow Boy. (Viking Press, 1976).
Treasures of the American West: Selections from the Collection of
Harrison
Eiteljorg
The Story of Ruby Bridges
Rebel for the Hell of it: the Life of Tupac Shakur
Nash, Steven. ed. Picasso and the War Years
Smith, Bradley. The USA: A History in Art.
Ghandhi resources. See other electronic resources at my PEACE LESSONS
PAGE.
www.mahatma.org.in
www.cbu.edu/Gandhi
The Native American concepts of respect, circle etc.
*Denote novel
**The participants will be asked to review and discuss various human rights,
civil rights, and political organizations web pages, too.
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From: "Debbie Robitaille" <debbier@cclib.org>
To: <PUBYAC@prairienet.org>
Subject: supply budgets
Date: Tue, 19 Jun 2001 09:41:06 CDT
Hello,
I am interested in supply budgets for public youth librarians. I have
a
very small budget of $250.00 for the whole year. My budget is for
things
like crayons, craft items, C.D.s, programming, and puppets, not books.
This
is a small region library serving a population of over 24,000. Last
year we
served over 1,500 children in our summer programming. I am wondering
what
the budgets are of other similar-sized libraries. Does you friends
group
donate any money to programming, or is all their money allotted for books?
If they do support you, how much do they donate? You may respond to me
directly or post your response to PUBYAC.
Thanking you in advance,
Debbie Robitaille-Youth Librarian
Coastal Region Library
Crystal River, FL
debbier@cclib.org
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From: M Cinnella/Gulf Beaches Library <cinnelm@snoopy.tblc.org>
To: <pubyac@prairienet.org>
Subject: Stumper - Spiders & Bananas
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Date: Tue, 19 Jun 2001 09:41:24 CDT
Hello all! I have a patron who is looking for a folktale about why
spiders are found in banana bunches. She swears that there is
folktale,
maybe from an African country. I don't know if the tale has been made
into a picture book or if it's in a collection of stories (or even exists
at all!). I would appreciate anyone's help and thanks a bunch!!
Maggie :-)
--
Maggie Cinnella
Youth Services Librarian
Gulf Beaches Public Library
200 Municipal Drive
Madeira Beach, Florida 33708-1997
727-391-2828 x202 (phone)
727-399-2840 (fax)
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From: Jacobs <ljacobs@suffolk.lib.ny.us>
To: pubyac@prairienet.org
Subject: stumper--gray pumpkin
Date: Tue, 19 Jun 2001 09:41:46 CDT
Hi, all! I'm posting this stumper for a fellow librarian, so if it
rings a
bell for you, please email her directly (bchristi@suffolk.lib.ny.us).
Thanks so much!
>I have a patron trying to locate a favorite chapter book she read from
her
public library in about 1948 -1951 about 2 children (brother and sister)
who follow a rolling, gray pumpkin through a door in a tree to the
"Land of
the Gray Pumpkin." She doesn't remember how the word gray/grey
was
spelled. She doesn't know the title or author. Does anyone have
any idea
what book she might be thinking of?
Bev Christianson
Cutchogue-New Suffolk Free Library
bchristi@suffolk.lib.ny.us
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From: "Grant, Sara" <scgrant@city.surrey.bc.ca>
To: "'PUBYAC@prairienet.org'"
<PUBYAC@prairienet.org>
Subject: Stumper -- Dog wants to be an Egg
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Hi all,
A patron is looking for a picturebook that might have been published in the
mid-70's about a girl and a dog, and the dog wants to become an egg. Ring
any bells?
Sara Grant
Manager of Youth Services
Surrey Public Library -- Guildford Branch
15105 -- 104th Ave
Surrey, B.C. V3R 7G8
scgrant@city.surrey.bc.ca
(604) 588-5015 ext. 307, Fax 588-5627
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From: Leslie Johnson <ljohnson@jefferson.lib.co.us>
To: "'pubyac@prairienet.org'"
<pubyac@prairienet.org>
Subject: Stumper
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Hi! My stumper is about a boy and a girl who meet an old man who
carries an
umbrella that has butterflies (maybe) on it. He wants everyone to look
up
and see something nice and not look at the ground. The kids meet him
at a
park, possibly an amusement park. They go with him to a magical
land that
has a literal singing brook, they drink from milk pods (vanilla, chocolate
and "bad"), order ice cream and other treats from a "Soda
Fountain," and eat
from gum trees. They go there to find an unidentified magical
creature.
She remembers the kids eating spaghetti at the old man's house and the boy
didn't like congealed spaghetti. A teacher read this book to my patron
twenty years ago, when she was in fifth grade. Does this ring any
bells?
TIA!
Leslie Johnson
Jefferson County Public Library
Golden Public Library - Children's Services
1019 Tenth Street
Golden, CO 80401
303.279.4585
Find us on the Web at:
http://jefferson.lib.co.us
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From: Jennifer Parker <jmpwel@yahoo.com>
To: pubyac@prairienet.org
Subject: Stumper Solved
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Date: Tue, 19 Jun 2001 09:42:54 CDT
I would like to say a great big thank you to everyone
who e-mailed me with the answer to my stumper. I got
a huge response to my inquire about the little boy who
loved dirt -
The Little Boy Who loved Dirt so much he almost became
a superslob!
I told my husband I tracked it down with all of your
help and he is looking forward to reading it again to
bring back some childhood memories.
Thanks to so many of you who responded in such a quick
amopunt of time!
Jennifer Parker
jmpwel@yahoo.com
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From: Lori Pulliam <pulliaml@sls.lib.il.us>
To: pubyac@prairienet.org
Subject: Parental limits on children's cards
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Date: Tue, 19 Jun 2001 10:03:20 CDT
Do any of you allow parents to set restrictions on children's cards,
i.e. their kids can't check out adult materials, or can only take a
certain number of books? One of our libraries has a parent requesting
that no adult materials be allowed out on the child's card. I'm
wondering how this is specified in your circ policies if you allow this
option at your libraries. Thanks for your help.
--
Lori Pulliam
Youth Services Consultant
Suburban Library System
125 Tower Dr.
Burr Ridge, IL 60521
630-734-5123
pulliaml@sls.lib.il.us
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From: Sallywilms@aol.com
To: pubyac@prairienet.org
Subject: Re: Revisiting Library Pets
Date: Tue, 19 Jun 2001 10:03:51 CDT
We have a good relationship with the local public schools and borrowed
several animals from the science department of our middle school for a
library program a few months ago. This led to discussions about
acquiring
some sort of permanent liberry critter.....long story short is that
the
school's Bearded Dragon Lizard is visiting us this summer.
He lives in a very sizeable terrarium (looks like an aquarium but with no
water...) and eats crickets, which live in my office in a cricket cage.
The
first few cricket-y days were irritating, but I have become resigned to the
sound and now find it strangely soothing....and I deeply appreciate ANYTHING
that can soothe me during the SRP.
He is affectionately known as Lumpy, and has become the focus of a great
deal
of interest from the children. We have not had any complaints about
allergies to lizards...yet.
This does not take away from our library goats who live at the retention
pond
next door and who are fed all manner of things by the children, or the three
library cats who live outside and who are adept at fleeing from children
determined to take them home.
Gee, if I lived near Indiana I might even be willing to take that ball
python
off your hands....
Best,
Sally Williams
W.T. Bland Public Library
1995 North Donnelly Street
Mount Dora, FL 32757
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