From: "PUBYAC: PUBlic librarians serving Young Adults and Children"
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Subject: PUBYAC digest 755
PUBYAC Digest 755
Topics covered in this issue include:
1) Stumper
by Shelley Sutherland <Ssutherl@nileslibrary.org>
2) Shrinking children answer has been found
by "Lukhaup, Vicki R." <VRLukhaup@GENESEE.suny.edu>
3) singable instructions/lesson
by Kindt_CA <Kindt_CA@co.brown.wi.us>
4) Baseball Story Time Ideas
by LouAnne or Jay Krantz <krantzjl@centurytel.net>
5) twins in space - thank you!!
by "Lyn Persson" <lpersson@nsls.info>
6) Re: Labelling
by Jennifer Baker <jbaker93711@yahoo.com>
7) RE: Time to read J books
by "Beverly Bixler" <bbixler@sanantonio.gov>
8) Re: Labelling
by "Chris Accardo" <Caccardo@gptx.org>
9) Re: Time to read J books
by "Terry Lambert, Youth Services Coordinator"
<lamberte@oplin.lib.oh.us>
10) RE: Labelling
by Sue Ridnour <SRidnour@flower-mound.com>
11) Re: Labelling
by "Melissa MacLeod" <mmacleod@sailsinc.org>
12) RE: Labelling
by Sharon Drayton <Sharon.Drayton@gosford.nsw.gov.au>
13) Re: fining children
by bgilchri@sdln.net
14) Re: Time to read J books
by "Chris Accardo" <Caccardo@gptx.org>
15) Cork Crafts - compilation - kinda long
by Marlyn Roberts <chaisegirl@yahoo.com>
16) Old Lady Who Swallowed a Fly Stumper
by MzLibrary@aol.com
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From: Shelley Sutherland <Ssutherl@nileslibrary.org>
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Subject: Stumper
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Thanks to all who helped me to identify The Bull from the Sea by Mary
Renault. The patron was thrilled.
Shelley Sutherland
Niles Public Library
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From: "Lukhaup, Vicki R." <VRLukhaup@GENESEE.suny.edu>
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Thank you all for helping and for all who answered! I love it.
Vicki R. Lukhaup
Reference Librarian
Genesee Community College
VRLukhaup@genesee.edu
585-343-0055x6419
585-343-0433 Fax
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From: Kindt_CA <Kindt_CA@co.brown.wi.us>
To: "'pubyac@prairienet.org'"
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Hi
I am looking for an activity or lesson that can be "taught" through a
song.
For example, if there was a tune to sing while learning to tie your shoes.
(I know there is a poem for that.) After reading how many people sing
books
this was the first place I thought I would look. I am sure something will
hit me as very obvious, BUT since it hasn't yet I need some help! Thanks
for any suggestions.
Clare Kindt
Brown County Library
Green Bay, WI
kindt_ca@co.brown.wi.us
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From: LouAnne or Jay Krantz <krantzjl@centurytel.net>
To: pubyac@prairienet.org
Subject: Baseball Story Time Ideas
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Date: Tue, 7 May 2002 10:19:11 CDT
I am putting together a baseball story time program this month. Bowie
Kuhn, former baseball commissioner is visiting our small Montana town.
I have several books and of course will sing "Take Me Out to the
Ballgame". I still need fingerplay/wiggle time ideas.
Please send any favorites to:
krantzjl@centurytel.net
Thank you for your help!
LouAnne Krantz
Youth Services Librarian
Polson City Library
Polson, Montana
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From: "Lyn Persson" <lpersson@nsls.info>
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Subject: twins in space - thank you!!
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This list is such a fabulous resource! Many thanks to the 18 (and still
counting...) folks who replied to my recent stumper about a 1950s sci fi
book about space travel, twin boys and relativity. The consensus is -
Robert Heinlein's Time for the Stars - which we even have in our collection.
The patron will be thrilled.
Lyn Persson
Head of Youth Services
Wilmette Public Library
lpersson@wilmette.lib.il.us
847/256-6940
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From: Jennifer Baker <jbaker93711@yahoo.com>
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Subject: Re: Labelling
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Date: Tue, 7 May 2002 10:19:23 CDT
Labeling by ALA standards is considered censorship.
(http://www.ala.org/alaorg/oif/labeling.html)
There are lots of books with graphic pictures of all
kinds of things: sex books, the "Inside/Outside"
series, art books, mythology, folklore, even some
picture books....
If you did start labeling, who would decide what is
"graphic" and what isn't? it's that same old slippery
slope.
Just like with any book, illustrated or not, it is the
parent's job to determine what is and isn't
appropriate for their children's reading/viewing, not
ours.
~jenniferbaker
Fresno Co. Library
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From: "Beverly Bixler" <bbixler@sanantonio.gov>
To: <pubyac@prairienet.org>
Subject: RE: Time to read J books
Date: Tue, 7 May 2002 10:19:29 CDT
I work in a branch of a 20-branch system. I make it a
point to read every picture book that has been ordered for my branch,
and I almost always do this on work time. I make time to do it. The main
reason is that when I come across picture books that would be good for
some storytime theme or other, then I go ahead and add the author &
title to that storytime theme's booklist (which I maintain on my
computer at work). As for reading of juvenile or YA novels, I mostly do
that on my own time. I don't attempt to read every novel that comes
across my desk because frankly I don't have that kind of personal time.
I pick and choose the novels in genres that interest me and try to read
all the books by my favorite Juvie & YA authors. I think it is
highly commendable of those few of you who are able to read every J
& YA novel that you order. I will have to continue to muddle along
reading what I can make time for.
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From: "Chris Accardo" <Caccardo@gptx.org>
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Subject: Re: Labelling
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Date: Tue, 7 May 2002 10:19:35 CDT
No way! See the ALA statements on labeling...
The only way we label books is if they are Holiday books, Mystery, Science =
fiction...basically by genre, and new books.
Chris
Chris Accardo
Children's Librarian
Grand Prairie Memorial Library
901 Conover
Grand Prairie, TX 75051
972.237.5715
caccardo@gptx.org
>>> Inge Saczkowski <isaczkow@niagarafalls.library.on.ca>
05/06/02 03:27PM =
>>>
I had a complaint/concern today about an Eyewitness book, on Mythology,
page 28 is a very graphic illustration of a cyclops eating a fresh
killed limb ( a deer?) Parent was concerned about younger children
being upset over the graphic nature of the photograph ( in full bloody
colour)
Do you label any books with a caution sticker, such as "graphic
illustrations" ot something like that?
I know that mythology is brutal, but the picture is pretty over the top,
however I wont pull the book
Help!
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From: "Terry Lambert, Youth Services Coordinator" <lamberte@oplin.lib.oh.us>
To: pubyac@prairienet.org
Subject: Re: Time to read J books
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Hi Everyone,
It seems to me that doing what we do as children's librarians requires us to
read the books that we put on our shelves. How else would a person know
what's
new, what's good, what's appropriate for storytime, what qualifies for an
award
etc. At work I read every picture book that we purchase. It comes to my desk
to
be checked during processing. I also skim all of the Juv and YA books that
we
purchase, at work. A good way to do this is to read the first chapter, the
first page of each chapter and the last chapter. It gives you a good feel of
the subject, writing style etc. Being the lover of books that I am, I take a
great deal of the juv and YA books home to read. I can usually read an adult
book and a JUV or YA book at the same time, different nights, times etc.
Yes, I
work in a small library, I am the children's department so maybe the
responsibility to do this is more for me than it might be for those who work
in
larger libraries. I guess next to working with kids, reading is my favorite
thing to do in the world. Is this a great profession or what!!!!
Judy Czarnecki wrote:
> I've followed with interest the replies to Sheilah's query about reading
> books that go into our collections. My colleagues and I are curious
about
> whether or not other librarians are allowed to read some of this material
> while on the clock.
>
> We, too, feel it is important to read the materials in our collections,
but
> I also enjoy reading adult materials (my hold for Shelters of Stone was
> filled today-yippee!) and I find myself becoming resentful that there are
> not enough non-library hours in my day to read all the books that come in,
> and yet reader's advisory is a part of my job (an aspect which I love).
>
> I wouldn't expect to use my work time to read all the materials that come
> in, but we are curious how many of you work in a library where it is
> accepted to spend some time each week reading materials at work-anyone?
If
> you do spend some work time reading, what's your rough estimate of how
much
> time a week you spend doing so?
>
> You can answer me directly, and I will post results if there is much of a
> response. Thanks in advance for assuaging our curiousity!
>
> Judy Czarnecki
> Veterans Memorial Library
> Chippewa River District Library
> Mt. Pleasant, MI
> jczarnec@vml.lib.mi.us
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From: Sue Ridnour <SRidnour@flower-mound.com>
To: "'pubyac@prairienet.org'"
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Subject: RE: Labelling
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I would not start labelling books because:
1. I don't have time.
2. It could create the expectation that everything with potentially
upsetting illustrations would be labelled as such, and then what happens if
you miss one, or your definition of "graphic" is not the same as the
parents?
3. It would set a precedent for labelling for other types of potentially
objectionable content, and pretty soon half the books/videos/CDs in the
library would have a label.
Just my two cents.
Sue
Sue Ridnour
Children's Services Manager
Flower Mound (TX) Public Library
972.874.6153
sridnour@flower-mound.com
-----Original Message-----
From: Inge Saczkowski [mailto:isaczkow@niagarafalls.library.on.ca]
Sent: Monday, May 06, 2002 3:26 PM
To: pubyac@prairienet.org
Subject: Labelling
I had a complaint/concern today about an Eyewitness book, on Mythology,
page 28 is a very graphic illustration of a cyclops eating a fresh
killed limb ( a deer?) Parent was concerned about younger children
being upset over the graphic nature of the photograph ( in full bloody
colour)
Do you label any books with a caution sticker, such as "graphic
illustrations" ot something like that?
I know that mythology is brutal, but the picture is pretty over the top,
however I wont pull the book
Help!
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From: "Melissa MacLeod" <mmacleod@sailsinc.org>
To: <pubyac@prairienet.org>
Subject: Re: Labelling
Date: Tue, 7 May 2002 10:19:53 CDT
Graphic nature stickers! Oh no! I believe it is up to a parent to preview
books if they are concerned about their content. I once had a parent who was
allowing their five year old to check out horror stories (the likes of
Goosebumps) because his reading level was "so advanced," even though I
had
warned her of the sometimes graphic and gross content of the books. She
ignored me (as the stickers would probably not only be ignored, but may
entice, just like children tend to seek out horror movies and listen to
music deemed "not appropriate") and a week later came in demanding
that I
remove the books from the system because her son was having nightmares. I
explained that the books were there for older children and that it was her
responsibility to screen material if she was concerned about the content. I
also told her I would be happy to recommend higher level books with content
apporpriate for her child's age. So basically, my answer is no to labeling,
not only because the task would be incredibly daunting, but also because it
puts the duty of parenting on the librarian. Sincerely, Melissa
----- Original Message -----
From: "Inge Saczkowski" <isaczkow@niagarafalls.library.on.ca>
To: <pubyac@prairienet.org>
Sent: Monday, May 06, 2002 4:26 PM
Subject: Labelling
> I had a complaint/concern today about an Eyewitness book, on Mythology,
> page 28 is a very graphic illustration of a cyclops eating a fresh
> killed limb ( a deer?) Parent was concerned about younger children
> being upset over the graphic nature of the photograph ( in full bloody
> colour)
> Do you label any books with a caution sticker, such as "graphic
> illustrations" ot something like that?
> I know that mythology is brutal, but the picture is pretty over the top,
> however I wont pull the book
> Help!
>
>
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From: Sharon Drayton <Sharon.Drayton@gosford.nsw.gov.au>
To: "'pubyac@prairienet.org'"
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Hi,
I work in a public library in Australia and I've had similar problems with
picture books for children where the content or illustration has raised
concerns with parents. I have thought about a warning sticker on books but
not sure about how to word the label. I will be most interested in your
replies.
Regards,
Sharon Drayton
Children's and Young Adult Services Librarian
sharon.drayton@gosford.nsw.gov.au
-----Original Message-----
From: Inge Saczkowski [mailto:isaczkow@niagarafalls.library.on.ca]
Sent: Tuesday, 7 May 2002 6:26
To: pubyac@prairienet.org
Subject: Labelling
I had a complaint/concern today about an Eyewitness book, on Mythology,
page 28 is a very graphic illustration of a cyclops eating a fresh
killed limb ( a deer?) Parent was concerned about younger children
being upset over the graphic nature of the photograph ( in full bloody
colour)
Do you label any books with a caution sticker, such as "graphic
illustrations" ot something like that?
I know that mythology is brutal, but the picture is pretty over the top,
however I wont pull the book
Help!
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From: bgilchri@sdln.net
To: pubyac@prairienet.org
Subject: Re: fining children
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Date: Tue, 7 May 2002 10:20:05 CDT
Hi Corinne, I'm not sure how much of the fine issue at our library
is
funding, although we have a few patrons who don't at all feel badly that
they
have probably bought a chair or two with their past fines. The thing that
we
do that I thought was worth mentioning is charge a lower amount for late
children's materials. Adult books are 5 cents a day, children's are only 2
cents a day. Videos, computer programs, etc. are much higher. We do
have a
maximum amount that we charge on any one item, and then we switch to
charging
for the book. If and when the book comes in, the fine reverts to the
maximum
fine, not the cost of the book. No one complains about book fines, but we
do
get complaints, for example, about the video fines which are $2.00 a day.
As far as responsibility goes, while I don't think we are necessarily to
be
teaching it in the library, people here seem to value things more if there
is a
nominal cost. One example is a magazine giveaway versus a magazine sale.
Those given away frequently end up on the floor or in the waste basket
instead
of home with patrons, while those that cost 10 cents are never seen again.
That seems strange to me personally, but I'm sure perceived value is the
reason. That perceived value may be the best reason to charge a fine, that
is,
if it isn't valuable enough for you to charge a fine, maybe the material
isn't
valuable enough to worry about returning???
Betty Gilchrist, Children's Librarian, bgilchri@sdln.net,
Huron Public
Library,
South Dakota, USA
Quoting corinne singer <cosinger@yahoo.com>:
> Hello everyone,
> My name is Corinne Singer and I am a mature age
> student completing a Librarianship degree at Monash
> University in Melbourne, Australia. As part of my
> course I need to join a professional listserv and
> discuss and evaluate a professional opinion. My chosen
> topic is also one which is being deliberated upon at
> the moment in my place of employment (a small library
> service with 4 branches), that is: Should we fine
> children for returning their library books late? By
> fining children, are we sending a negative message to
> children and deterring them from reading? Or,
> conversely, is fining children for bringing their
> books back late teaching them responsibility? If so,is
> it the library's position to teach responsibility? If
> we don't fine, are there issues of funding involved?
> I would welcome discussion in this topic and look
> forward to hearing other people's points of view and
> other libraries' policies. The library where I work
> currently has a policy of fining all patrons, whether
> adult or child, 20 cents per item per day (=a US
> dime).
> Regards, Corinne.
>
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From: "Chris Accardo" <Caccardo@gptx.org>
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Date: Tue, 7 May 2002 10:20:12 CDT
Judy,
At my last job, I got to read all of the Texas Lone Star (a list of 20 =
books prepared by the Texas Library Association) books on the clock. I =
think I spent about 80 hours on that. Maybe a little less. I've
never =
been encouraged to read juvenile books any other time, though.
Chris
Chris Accardo
Children's Librarian
Grand Prairie Memorial Library
901 Conover
Grand Prairie, TX 75051
972.237.5715
caccardo@gptx.org
>>> Judy Czarnecki <jczarnec@vml.lib.mi.us>
05/06/02 03:31PM >>>
I've followed with interest the replies to Sheilah's query about reading
books that go into our collections. My colleagues and I are curious about
whether or not other librarians are allowed to read some of this material
while on the clock.
We, too, feel it is important to read the materials in our collections, =
but
I also enjoy reading adult materials (my hold for Shelters of Stone was
filled today-yippee!) and I find myself becoming resentful that there are
not enough non-library hours in my day to read all the books that come in,
and yet reader's advisory is a part of my job (an aspect which I love).
I wouldn't expect to use my work time to read all the materials that come
in, but we are curious how many of you work in a library where it is
accepted to spend some time each week reading materials at work-anyone? =
If
you do spend some work time reading, what's your rough estimate of how =
much
time a week you spend doing so?
You can answer me directly, and I will post results if there is much of a
response. Thanks in advance for assuaging our curiousity!
Judy Czarnecki
Veterans Memorial Library
Chippewa River District Library
Mt. Pleasant, MI
jczarnec@vml.lib.mi.us=20
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From: Marlyn Roberts <chaisegirl@yahoo.com>
To: Pub Yac <pubyac@prairienet.org>
Subject: Cork Crafts - compilation - kinda long
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Date: Tue, 7 May 2002 10:20:18 CDT
Due to popular demand, here they are. Who would have
thought that so many people saved corks??
Marlyn
Just a thought...but maybe you can adapt it :) We had
a craft this past year dealing with cork for pig legs.
The body was a toilet paper roll, a pipe cleaner tail,
and circular paper face, pom pom nose. We made them
into banks.
You might try letting the kids glue the corks together
in various shapes -- clowns, animals -- and provide
feathers, sequins and other bits to decorate with.
Hi, We made little people with corks. Buy some googly
eyes and pipe cleaners, cut some scraps of paper and
get some glue and you're in business. Kids can draw on
featurs with markers, use cloth scraps to dress them
up, and cut pipe cleaners to size for arms. Simple and
fun. Martha
One thought came to mind of making a cork wreath, or
making figures out of the cork by attaching the small
part of the cork another cork with glue maybe putting
some arms inbetween and put some legs on. Also, you
could make animals out of them using pipe cleaners or
chennille's and googly eyes. Another idea would be to
make a garland out of them. They could be painted and
strung with a needle and nylon thread and put trinkets
or beads inbetween and it would make a nice
decoration. (Neclace?) Use one in the middle and beads
on each side.
Well, it doesn't quite fit with your circus theme, but
when we had lots of corks to use up we made sailboats
- 2 corks held together with rubber bands at each end,
paper sail glued to a toothpick, which sticks into the
cork. Very simple, but they look good, really float,
and the kids love them! Good luck!!
Depending on the size of the corks, they could be used
to top bottles of sand art. You could thread them with
string and make a necklace. Have a cork stacking
contest. Try these websites too.
http://www.lldkids.com/documents/games_corkcrafts.html
http://www.afamilyaffair.com/cork.htm
I did a search (cork craft) at familyfun.com and found
this list:
http://search.family.go.com/family/query.html?col=family&searchtype=keyword&
qt=cork+craft
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From: MzLibrary@aol.com
To: pubyac@prairienet.org
Subject: Old Lady Who Swallowed a Fly Stumper
Date: Tue, 7 May 2002 10:20:24 CDT
Thank you all for this quick information!
My original request:
"I am looking for a picture book of the Little Old Lady Who Swallowed a
Fly -
I have the Taback book, There Was An Old Lady Who Swallowed a Fly, but it
does not include a goat and we have the puppet which includes horse, goat,
pig, dog, cat, bird, spider and fly."
And the answers I got within hours:
I Know an Old Lady Who Swallowed a Fly, illus. by Stephen Gulbis
In this classic cumulative tale, the Old Lady swallows a fly, but she
doesn't
stop there, proving that sometimes the solution is worse than the problem.
This is the first picture book version of the story to incorporate an
interactive element that's just right for young children. Kids will have fun
turning the wheel on each spread and watching all the animals chasing each
other inside the ever-growing Old Lady!
I Know an Old Lady Who Swallowed a Fly by Nadine Bernard Westcott
This favorite song about an old lady whose life is forever changed by a fly
is illustrated with "funny, detailed pictures. Includes a piano arrangement
at the end."--School Library Journal. Full-color illustrations.
The version with illustrations by G. Brian Karas titled I Know an Old Lady
has the goat (and all the other animals that go with the Old Lady puppet.)
I Know an Old Lady Who Swallowed a Fly by Glen Rounds (Illustrator)
from Horn Book: In his trademark bold illustrations Rounds offers his unique
interpretation of the popular folk song. The refrain is slightly unfamiliar;
the variant folkloric text adds oor old lady!to the well-known guess she'll
die. Music not included.
I've ordered the Stephen Gulbis book to keep at my desk as it will be fun to
have for my large and small storytimes.
Thanks!
Charlotte Rabbitt, Children's Librarian
Peterborough Town Library
Peterborough, New Hampshire
mzlibrary@aol.com
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