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From: "PUBYAC: PUBlic librarians serving Young Adults and Children"
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To: "PUBYAC: PUBlic librarians serving Young Adults and Children" <pubyac@prairienet.org>
Sent: Tuesday, September 17, 2002 11:01 PM
Subject: PUBYAC digest 861
PUBYAC Digest 861
Topics covered in this issue include:
1) RE: Late storytime arrivals
by "Amber McCrea" <mccrea.amber@als.lib.wi.us>
2) song stumper
by Mairi Ellen Quodomine <mquodom@mail.pratt.lib.md.us>
3) seed help
by "P Stack" <p.stack@vlc.lib.mi.us>
4) RE: What age is a YA?
by "Amber McCrea" <mccrea.amber@als.lib.wi.us>
5) Re: Science Fair Workshop
by "RoseMary Honnold" <honnolro@oplin.lib.oh.us>
6) Re: What age is a YA?
by "Cindy Rider" <CRIDER@vigo.lib.in.us>
7) Re: Christian fiction
by "Melissa MacLeod" <mmacleod@sailsinc.org>
8) Re: What age is a YA?
by "M. Neiman" <mellifur@cox.net>
9) Re: Stumper: Farmer taking produce to market
by "Mary Voors" <Mvoors@acpl.lib.in.us>
10) Re: What age is a YA?
by Susan Engelmann <suengelm@yahoo.com>
11) Re: special needs adults in storytime
by Tanya DiMaggio <tanya@mail.sttammany.lib.la.us>
12) RE: Late storytime arrivals- I let them in.
by "Gruninger, Laura" <lgruning@MCL.org>
13) RE: a sorry-we-didn't-have-it form or note
by Van Vranken Gail <GVanvranken@TORRNET.COM>
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From: "Amber McCrea" <mccrea.amber@als.lib.wi.us>
To: <pubyac@prairienet.org>
Subject: RE: Late storytime arrivals
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Date: Tue, 17 Sep 2002 10:45:33 CDT
Rosa,
We have a ten minute rule with storytimes. If you are more than ten
minutes
late you cannot attend but we also wait at least five after the scheduled
start time to allow for parents to find parking before starting our
storytimes.
Amber McCrea
Youth Services Librarian
Beloit Public Library
Beloit, WI
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From: Mairi Ellen Quodomine <mquodom@mail.pratt.lib.md.us>
To: PUBYAC: PUBlic librarians serving Young Adults & Children
<pubyac@prairienet.org>
Subject: song stumper
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Date: Tue, 17 Sep 2002 10:45:40 CDT
Hello all,
I have a song stumper. This is a song that was sang in a children's
YMCA camp in the late 1980's - early 1990's, but may have been written
earlier. I have the chorus, but I do not know the title, or if it was a
recording by a group or a traditional tune.
Anyone know this one?
"Let me go, let me go I can hear the whistle blow, and I know that its
calling for me. Let me wander through this land ...(more to chorus but
not remembered).
Thanks in advance,
Mairi Ellen Quodomine
Enoch Pratt Free Library
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From: "P Stack" <p.stack@vlc.lib.mi.us>
To: pubyac@prairienet.org
Subject: seed help
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Date: Tue, 17 Sep 2002 10:45:46 CDT
Hi Pubyac-ers,
Do any of you great minds out there know of a book for second graders
that would help them identify seeds? It's not just garden type of
seeds. Our whole second grade is doing this and of course the
teacher didn't check to see if we had any books. I realize it can't
help me this year but at least I'll be ready for next year. TIA.
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From: "Amber McCrea" <mccrea.amber@als.lib.wi.us>
To: <pubyac@prairienet.org>
Subject: RE: What age is a YA?
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Date: Tue, 17 Sep 2002 10:45:52 CDT
Leesa,
Those 12 year olds are exactly who you want to be in your programs if you
are just starting a YA program. 12 year olds are more enthusiastic about
library events and just love to be included in the YA section. More
importantly, next year when they turn 13 you will have a ready base of word
of mouth publicity which when dealing with YA's is the most important type
of publicity.
Amber McCrea
Youth Services Librarian
Beloit Public Library
Beloit, WI
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From: "RoseMary Honnold" <honnolro@oplin.lib.oh.us>
To: <pubyac@prairienet.org>
Subject: Re: Science Fair Workshop
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Date: Tue, 17 Sep 2002 10:45:59 CDT
http://www.cplrmh.com/sciencefair.html
RoseMary Honnold
Coshocton Public Library
655 Main ST
Coshocton, OH 43812
740-622-0956
101+ Teen Programs That Work
Neal-Schuman Publishers
http://www.neal-schuman.com/db/6/296.html
See YA Around: a Web site for librarians who work with teens
http://www.cplrmh.com
----- Original Message -----
From: "Mary Moody" <mmoody@vigo.lib.in.us>
To: <pubyac@prairienet.org>
Sent: Tuesday, September 17, 2002 12:39 AM
Subject: Science Fair Workshop
> Has anyone on the list ever had a Science Fair Workshop for parents and
> children? If so would you be willing to share what you did and what you
> thought about the outcome?
>
> You may reply via the list or privately.
>
> Thanks,
> Mary Moody
> Vigo County Public Library
>
>
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From: "Cindy Rider" <CRIDER@vigo.lib.in.us>
To: <LKeener@acmail.aclink.org>,
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Subject: Re: What age is a YA?
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We use ages 11-17. Middle school kids need programming geared to their =
interests and needs, which are different than those of elementary school =
ages.=20
Most of our "teens" are 11-14, although we have some who stay active =
through high school. It takes more work to keep high schoolers involved =
because they have so many other activities, and once they start driving, =
it's even worse. It IS possible though, especially if they are involved in =
the planning and actual work of the programs. We have never tried an =
"older teens" program (for ages 15 and up) but never say never!
Cindy Rider
Young Peoples School Liaison Program Librarian.
Vigo Co. Public Library
Terre Haute, IN
crider@vigo.lib.in.us
http://www.vigo.lib.in.us/yp/yp.html
"If we didn't have libraries, many people thirsty for knowledge would =
dehydrate."
- Megan Jo Tetrick, age 12, Daleville, Indiana
>>> LKeener@acmail.aclink.org
09/16/02 11:39PM >>>
I am have started a YA booktalk for ages 13-18. It is the first program we
have had for YA's and I am curious as to what age other librarries start =
at.
I only had two 13 year olds come the first time (yesterday was the first
meeting) . I have had responses from 12 year olds but the literature says
that you should be cleat that your program is only for YA's or it will get
the reputation as a children's program and they will not come. Recently I
read in Patrick Jones book that he considered 12 year old to be YA. He
doesn't really say you should include them in YA programming, but that =
kids
are reading more advanced books these days. In another book 14. Before I
consider changing my age limit what do other libraries consider YA.
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From: "Melissa MacLeod" <mmacleod@sailsinc.org>
To: <pubyac@prairienet.org>
Subject: Re: Christian fiction
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Date: Tue, 17 Sep 2002 10:46:13 CDT
We have recently purchased Adventures of the North Woods by Johnson and
can't keep them on the shelves.
----- Original Message -----
From: "Megan Vanderhart" <VanDerME@ri.lincon.org>
To: <pubyac@prairienet.org>
Sent: Tuesday, September 17, 2002 12:40 AM
Subject: Re: Christian fiction
But there are those whose tastes prefer Elsie Dinsmore and books by G. A.
Henty. It's acquired, but so are any of our tastes (food, music, etc.) I
read Elsie a while back. Yes, it is more dense and the style is different
than what we're used to, but personally I can't stand certain popular series
because they don't offer the depth and richness of language provided by
books that have been around a long time.
We recently purchased Elsie as well as the Sugar Creek Gang books, also by
request, and we'll see how they go. It can't hurt to try a few of them.
Megan VanderHart
Rock Island Public Library
Rock Island, IL
Opinions are my own.
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From: "M. Neiman" <mellifur@cox.net>
To: pubyac@prairienet.org
Subject: Re: What age is a YA?
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Date: Tue, 17 Sep 2002 10:46:20 CDT
Our YA area is for students in grades 7-12. That means that twelve
year-olds are included, since 7th graders are often 12 going on 13.
Miriam
At 11:39 PM 9/16/02 -0500, you wrote:
>I am have started a YA booktalk for ages 13-18. It is the first program we
>have had for YA's and I am curious as to what age other librarries start
at.
>I only had two 13 year olds come the first time (yesterday was the first
>meeting) . I have had responses from 12 year olds but the literature says
>that you should be cleat that your program is only for YA's or it will get
>the reputation as a children's program and they will not come. Recently I
>read in Patrick Jones book that he considered 12 year old to be YA. He
>doesn't really say you should include them in YA programming, but that kids
>are reading more advanced books these days. In another book 14. Before I
>consider changing my age limit what do other libraries consider YA.
M. Neiman
neiman@glasct.org
Welles-Turner Memorial Library
Glastonbury, CT
http://www.wtmlib.com
The opinions expressed do not necessarily reflect those of my organization.
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From: "Mary Voors" <Mvoors@acpl.lib.in.us>
To: <pubyac@prairienet.org>
Subject: Re: Stumper: Farmer taking produce to market
Date: Tue, 17 Sep 2002 10:46:26 CDT
A week ago or so I had sent the following stumper to PubYac:
>>>I am looking for a book about a farmer taking his produce to market
in =
a=20
small open-bed truck. Probably a picture book or primer, the book was=20
available 30 to 40 years ago as this was the first book he remembers =
being=20
able to read independently. Written in "rhyming couplets," he
clearly=20
remembers a picture of cabbages bounces off the truck. <<<
I've shown the suggestions of FARMER SMALL by Lois Lenski and OX-CART MAN =
by Donald Hall
to my customer and neither title is correct. If anyone else has suggestions=
, I'll happily listen; I'd love to=20
get this query answered!
Thanks to Julie Rines, Anie Schafer, and Cindi Carey for their efforts =
thus far in solving this stumper.
Mary
Mary R. Voors
E-Mail: =
mvoors@acpl.lib.in.us
Children's Services manager
Phone: 260-421-1221
Allen County Public Library
FAX: 260-422-9688
900 Webster
Fort Wayne, IN 46801
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From: Susan Engelmann <suengelm@yahoo.com>
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Subject: Re: What age is a YA?
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Date: Tue, 17 Sep 2002 10:46:32 CDT
We have 2 different levels of programming. 11 and 12
year olds participate in "Tweens Read" and the high
school students have their own series of programs
(some of which we do during their luncdh period for
those whose after school activities won't allow them
to come in the evening)
Susan Engelmann
North Kansas City (M0)
--- "Keener, Lesa" <LKeener@acmail.aclink.org>
wrote:
> I am have started a YA booktalk for ages 13-18. It
> is the first program we
> have had for YA's and I am curious as to what age
> other librarries start at.
> I only had two 13 year olds come the first time
> (yesterday was the first
> meeting) . I have had responses from 12 year olds
> but the literature says
> that you should be cleat that your program is only
> for YA's or it will get
> the reputation as a children's program and they will
> not come. Recently I
> read in Patrick Jones book that he considered 12
> year old to be YA. He
> doesn't really say you should include them in YA
> programming, but that kids
> are reading more advanced books these days. In
> another book 14. Before I
> consider changing my age limit what do other
> libraries consider YA.
>
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From: Tanya DiMaggio <tanya@mail.sttammany.lib.la.us>
Subject: Re: special needs adults in storytime
Date: Tue, 17 Sep 2002 10:46:39 CDT
I have had "special needs" adults attend storytimes in the past with
no
problems
or concerns. The caregiver always asked first and noone in the audience
seemed
to mind. I did not experience any parents not coming back, complaints or
anything.
This summer we had a 38 year old special needs woman attend our teen lock
in.
Every year she participates in the children's summer reading program. This
year
she really wanted to attend the lock in, which was for ages 12-17. I do not
work
at the branch that she uses, another staff member told her it was okay. I
have
to admit, I had a lot of reservations about it. I probably would have
discouraged her myself or flat out told her no. However, there was nothing I
could do after the fact. Just before she arrived (she rides her bicycle to
the
library), I gave a heads up to the teens (there were about 27) and told them
I
expected them to treat her with respect and kindness. They all giggled a bit
and
then just said okay. There were no problems at all. She was assigned to a
team,
and she participated fully. I saw some girls chatting with her and she was
totally included. After the program I thanked a couple of the girls for
being
nice to her and they sort of shrugged it off like it was a normal thing,
"she
was nice, of course we would be nice back to her Miss Tanya!" I was very
proud
of them.
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From: "Gruninger, Laura" <lgruning@MCL.org>
To: "'pubyac@prairienet.org'"
<pubyac@prairienet.org>
Subject: RE: Late storytime arrivals- I let them in.
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Date: Tue, 17 Sep 2002 10:46:46 CDT
Our storytime programs are about 15 to 20 minutes of stories, songs,
activities, then a craft (10 minutes or so) then playing with toys.(we
register under 20 kids per session, and allow younger or older siblings
in) I do allow people to join the group late, but
I try to always begin on time for the sake of those who arrive on time.
If latecomers quietly sit in the rear, its not that much of an
interruption. There have been times when the size of the group has
doubled while I read the first story. Having children ages 5 and 7, I
can remember the days when getting out of the house could be a bit
hectic (it actually still is) so I think I tend to be forgiving about
this. I hate to think that a child would be dissappointed about not
being let in, when it could have been traffic or other circumstances
that made the parent late. If people come in so late that they can only
do the craft, thats fine with me. By the way, our activity room door
does lock, which would allow me to prevent latecomers, but I'd never do
that. Once or twice it got locked by mistake and I was mortified that
parents or kids might think I was locking them out!
Laura Gruninger, Children's Librarian
Mercer County Library System
Lawrenceville, NJ
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-pubyac@prairienet.org
[mailto:owner-pubyac@prairienet.org]On
Behalf Of Rosa Rigotti
Sent: Tuesday, September 17, 2002 12:40 AM
To: pubyac@prairienet.org
Subject: Late storytime arrivals
Hello People,
How do you deal with parents and children arriving
late for storytime programs?
At one of our branches, some families are notorious
for this, arriving as much as 20 minutes late. We
find that latecomers really distract the flow of
storytime and it takes some time to settle everyone
down again.
I am just wondering if anybody had any ways of dealing
with this problem successfully or do you simply let it
go? We have talked to the parents who are late, but
they don't seem to get it.
Does anybody use a policy that if you don't show up
within 10-15 of storytime start time, you can't join
the group?
Thanks for your help,
Rosa
Rosa Rigotti
Essex County Library
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From: Van Vranken Gail <GVanvranken@TORRNET.COM>
To: "'pubyac@prairienet.org'"
<pubyac@prairienet.org>
Subject: RE: a sorry-we-didn't-have-it form or note
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Hope this helps. We use the following data on a 1/2 sheet with our letter
head:
NOTICE TO THE TEACHER
To the teacher of ___
We regret that we were unable to fill the needs of this student for your
assignment on_____
___ All appropriate materials are checked out.
___ All available reference materials are not suitable for your student's
needs
___ We are unable to define the assignment adequately. Please clarify in
writing or call us. We will be happy to continue to work with you.
Date ___
Telephone ___
Librarian ___
Branch Library ___
Gail Van Vranken
Youth Services Librarian
*
Torrance Public Library
North Torrance Branch
3604 W. Artesia Blvd.
Torrance, CA 90504
(310) 323-7200 x 108
gvanvranken@torrnet.com
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> From: Prophet, Katherine[SMTP:KTProphet@city.surrey.bc.ca]
> Reply To: pubyac@prairienet.org
> Sent: Monday, September 16, 2002 9:39 PM
> To: 'pubyac@prairienet.org'
> Subject: a sorry-we-didn't-have-it form or note
>
> We wish to design a form to give children when we have no books on a
> topic.
> The children could then show this information to their parents and
> teachers,
> letting them know that the child had indeed looked for a book. Many
> teachers
> require that a child include at least one book in his research efforts,
> and
> often, these items disappear quickly, particularly if the same topic is
> assigned to 30 children.
>
> I would greatly appreciate your sharing with me any such
> forms/notes/letters
> from your library.
>
>
> Kitty Prophet
> ktprophet@city.surrey.bc.ca
> www.spl.surrey.bc.ca
>
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