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From: "PUBYAC: PUBlic librarians serving Young Adults and Children" <pubyac@prairienet.org>
To: "PUBYAC: PUBlic librarians serving Young Adults and Children" <pubyac@prairienet.org>
Sent: Wednesday, May 28, 2003 11:01 PM
Subject: PUBYAC digest 1123
PUBYAC Digest 1123
Topics covered in this issue include:
1) RE: how to do a book talk
by "Katrina Neville" <KatrinaN@moval.org>
2) Re: library tours
by "Beverly Kirkendall" <bkirkend@ci.hurst.tx.us>
3) Re: response to booktalk query
by Hegquist <dhegquis@suffolk.lib.ny.us>
4) need help spending money quick!
by Jennifer Baker <jbaker93711@yahoo.com>
5) Re: Response to booktalk query
by "Barb Thompson" <barbt1956@attbi.com>
6) Re: New York Public Libraries
by buddydog1us@earthlink.net
7) stumper/dog pushing baby carriage
by Mona Elson <mgelson@yahoo.com>
8) Re: inservices
by Jennifer Baker <jbaker93711@yahoo.com>
9) Re: gross humor
by Nancy Thelen <nthelan@monroe.lib.mi.us>
10) RE: book talk query
by "Aissatou Sunjata" <asunjata@cumberland.lib.nc.us>
11) Re: How to do a booktalk
by Sandi Blakney <sblakney@tln.lib.mi.us>
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From: "Katrina Neville" <KatrinaN@moval.org>
To: <pubyac@prairienet.org>
Subject: RE: how to do a book talk
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Date: Wed, 28 May 2003 10:09:47 CDT
Grace Slaughter said:
I'm responding to this one only because it is not the first time this
morning that I've seen the maxim: "If you can't say anything nice, don't =
say anything at all."
Well, *I'm* responding to this because I'm the one who "dragged out" =
that "old saw". This whole discussion is making me so freaking
angry! =
I think a lot of good points have been brought up by people responding =
that they have indeed been helped by answers to these simple queries. =
Maybe someone doesn't want to do their own homework, but when the =
professionials on this listserv respond kindly and with many, many =
excellent suggestions, it helps not only the original poster, but those =
of us who might be tackling the same sorts of things in our own =
libraries.=20
To all you "old school" pros who have been on the listserv "for
years": =
you would do a lot better to be kind to those of us who will ultimately =
be taking your positions when you retire. We NEED to learn from your =
expertise, and trying to make us feel stupid just might ultimately turn =
some of us off from or even abandon the profession of which you're all =
already bemoaning the demise.
There is enough negativity in the world. Don't try to make us new =
professionals feel stupid or like we have to start censoring ourselves. =
When you do this, YOU give professional librarianship a bad name.
In frustration,
Katrina
Katrina Neville
Children's Librarian
City of Moreno Valley
25480 Alessandro Blvd.
Moreno Valley, CA 92553
t: 909-413-3880
f: 909-247-8346
e: katrinan@moval.org
w: www.moreno-valley.ca.us
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From: "Beverly Kirkendall" <bkirkend@ci.hurst.tx.us>
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Subject: Re: library tours
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Date: Wed, 28 May 2003 10:09:56 CDT
<<(I learned 636, I remember, first of all.) And there's 567, of
course. =
And
741.5.>>
And, of course, 398.2 and 811!
At my library, aides (shelvers, pages, whoever puts the books on the =
shelf!) are specifically in youth or adult; one of our adult aides had =
been here for quite some time before he realized that Dewey was the same =
in youth AND adult! I have noticed that most students understand (or =
remember) the general concept of Dewey better than adults; this is, =
perhaps, due to the fact that they do study it and use it in school. =
Although the number of kids who plead ignorance of understanding how to =
find books (esp. in jr. high or middle school) is sometimes a bit =
discouraging--let's hope they're just lazy.....
Even in giving tours for the K and Pre-K crowd, I talk about how the books =
are arranged for fiction and nonfiction. It amazes me how smart some these =
youngsters are! Kindergartners knowing that "alphabetical" means
"a-b-c" =
order and that an author is the person who wrote the book--one in the last =
kindergarten group that came through even let me know that the numbers =
were Dewey Decimal numbers before I got a chance to tell them! Pretty =
impressive if you ask me!
Beverly K.
Hurst Public Library
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From: Hegquist <dhegquis@suffolk.lib.ny.us>
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Subject: Re: response to booktalk query
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Date: Wed, 28 May 2003 10:10:05 CDT
Hi Everyone,
I would like to put my two cents in on this seemingly fast growing
debate. I agree with both arguments--no one should be spoon-fed,
but one should not be discouraged to ask questions either. PUBYAC is a
wonderful resource that can be used as a stepping stone to learn many
aspects of a librarian's job. There is so much to learn and so many
resources to discover when you are first starting out that it is
overwhelming! There are many facets to the job that can be retrieved from
resources, but a lot also has to come from others' experiences and a
little creative on-the-spot improvising. In my opinion, it doesn't hurt
any of us to show a little patience and list the standard book resources
that one should "supposedly" know even if it may be
"obvious" plus a
little of what we have learned on our own as a short-cut. I believe
everyone who takes the time to contribute to this list does not consider
it a waste of time. It's giving good information to people who really
appreciate it and I love to help as much as I can and grow from other
perspectives. Thank you for listening to my opinion.
--Dana Hegquist, Southold Free Library, Long Island, NY
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"Don't cast your pearls before swine"
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Dana Hegquist
Children's Librarian
dhegquis@suffolk.lib.ny.us
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From: Jennifer Baker <jbaker93711@yahoo.com>
To: pubyac@prairienet.org
Subject: need help spending money quick!
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Date: Wed, 28 May 2003 10:10:12 CDT
we have roughly $2000 that is going to disappear at
the end of june if it isn't spent. what a terrible
problem to have! i know your heart just bleeds for us.
anyway, it has to be spent on "programming resources"
which is defined as things that can be used for
programming again and again (ie. puppets, musical
instruments, ellison dies, parachutes--all of which we
already have).
i personally believe that you can never have enough
puppets but i'm sure there are some new things we
need. do any of you have any suggestions for items you
have purchased recently (or wished to purchase) that
would fit this category? these can be things to use
for any age group from toddler up to young adult.
please reply direct:
jbaker93711@yahoo.com
TIA!
~j.
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~jenniferbaker
fresno co. public library
"If an item does not appear in our records, it does not exist."
~ Jocasta Nu (librarian from "Star Wars: Episode II Attack of the
Clones")
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From: "Barb Thompson" <barbt1956@attbi.com>
To: <pubyac@prairienet.org>
Subject: Re: Response to booktalk query
Date: Wed, 28 May 2003 10:10:21 CDT
One additional point regarding the use of this and other listservs for =
obtaining information for school projects: Several of my professors at =
UNT have asked us specifically not to do so. =20
As pointed out by several of you, as MLS students, we are learning how =
to do research not just seeking to find an answer. Our professors =
expect us to locate information ourselves or to ask them for assistance. =
We are provided with excellent resources, wonderful professors, and =
tremendous TA's and student mentors. It should not be necessary to =
address our questions to a listserv. And, if specifically asked not to, =
we may be violating the syllabus (read: cheating).
Most of our professors are also members of these listservs. They wish =
to keep abreast of what the professionals are thinking, saying and =
asking. What would they think if they should see one of their own =
students asking questions which indicate they have done little or no =
research themselves? My expectation would be that my grade would be =
reduced.
I think Mary K was right on in taking this student to task. The variety =
of materials available on book talking could make my head spin. It was =
inappropriate to ask for assistance from the pubyac group before even =
checking the library catalog.
Barb Thompson
MLS student
University of North Texas
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From: buddydog1us@earthlink.net
To: pubyac@prairienet.org
Subject: Re: New York Public Libraries
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Date: Wed, 28 May 2003 10:10:28 CDT
> There is work in the outlying areas and suburbs, possibly in > the
Queens
and Brooklyn systems
Sadly, that's a bit of an error. :-(
Queens and Brooklyn are part of New York City and facing even more severe
cuts than NYPL (which covers the Bronx, Staten Island and the most famous
borough - Manhattan). The term "New York Public Libraries" is a bit of
a
misnomer, as NYPL is only one of the three library systems in New York City.
(the others are QBPL which serves Queens and BPL which serves Brooklyn).
The movies always mess that up. Whenever New York City and library come
together, they show the Humanties research library in NYPL. I'm sure you all
known it - the one with the stone lions in front. That's actually only one
of the nearly 200 libraries in New York City. Almost nobody goes there -
it's completely non-circ with no youth or popular materials. It's mainly
used by college professors and graduate students in the Humanities. But it's
open to the public, which I think is rare for an academic library, and part
of NYPL.
The outlying areas are in Long Island (Nassau County & Suffolk County),
which is not part of NYC. They are hiring. They also are quite far from
Manhattan. But they pay quite a bit more than any of the library systems in
New York City.
I just want to make sure that no one buys an apartment in Queens or Brooklyn
thinking they can find work there ! :-)
Babbs
NYC
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From: Mona Elson <mgelson@yahoo.com>
To: pubyac@prairienet.org
Subject: stumper/dog pushing baby carriage
Date: Wed, 28 May 2003 10:10:39 CDT
Hi. I have a patron looking for a picture book from when he was young (he
is now in his 40s). All he can remember is the story had a dog, he thinks
a
poodle, pushing a baby carriage. Any suggestions you could give me would
be
appreciated. Thanks for your help. Mona Elson,Children's
Librarian,Wethersfield Public LibraryWethersfield, CT
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From: Jennifer Baker <jbaker93711@yahoo.com>
To: pubyac@prairienet.org
Subject: Re: inservices
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Date: Wed, 28 May 2003 10:10:49 CDT
hello jacquie!
our library does regular workshops for children's
people. we call them PIGYS (pronouced piggies) it
stands for Practical Inservices for Good Youth
Services.
they are separate from our regular staff meetings
because any and all staff (professional and
paraprofessional)that work with children are invited
to participate--including people from neighboring
systems. they are held quarterly with two sessions
(one morning, one afternoon) to accommodate differing
work schedules.
each time we pick a theme and one or two people make
presentations and then we share around the group.
previous topics have included award literature, online
children's reference, using puppets in storytime,
using music in storytime, "easy, cheesy crafts" and
other things like that.
i think we all generally find the programs helpful and
fun--it's a good chance to share ideas informally. i
do wish that management would make participation a
requirement because most of the people who attend are
already really good at their jobs and this is just a
bonus. the ones that don't come are the ones that
could use it the most.
hope this is helpful--if you have further questions
let me know.
~j.
--- Jacquie Sewell <jjsewell416@yahoo.com>
wrote:
>
> Hello PUBYAC members,
>
> I am a grad student in the LIS program at Wayne
> State U. in Detroit and new
> to this list. For my lib management class I am
> writing a paper about the
> benefits of regular inservices for the staff of the
> children's department.
>
> I would appreciate hearing from anyone who works in
> a library that provides
> regular (monthly? quarterly?) inservices (of all
> types - whether it's staff
> meeting, conferences, workshops etc) for their
> children's staff.
>
> I'm interested in what types of training are
> provided, how the training is
> received by the staff, and whether you feel it
> impacts (positively or
> negatively) the service offered by the children's
> department.
>
> Please reply to me offlist at jjsewell416@yahoo.com
>
> Thanks - Jacquie Sewell
>
>
>
> Jacquie
>
> "This is the day that the Lord has made. I will
> rejoice and be glad in it."
>
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~jenniferbaker
fresno co. public library
"If an item does not appear in our records, it does not exist."
~ Jocasta Nu (librarian from "Star Wars: Episode II Attack of the
Clones")
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From: Nancy Thelen <nthelan@monroe.lib.mi.us>
To: pubyac@prairienet.org
Subject: Re: gross humor
Date: Wed, 28 May 2003 10:10:57 CDT
Gross things including gross edibles are part of the theme from
our state summer reading theme (which is shared by a number of
other states). These ideas are mostly from the planning manual.
99 1/2 Gross Jokes, Riddles and Nonsense. Holly Kowitt.
Scholastic, 1997. 0-590-93991-2
Beetles Lightly Toasted. Phyllis Reynolds Naylor. Atheneum, 1987.
0-689-31355-1
Creepy Cuisine: Revolting Recipes That Look Disgusting but Tasst
Divine. Lucy Monroe.
Random House, 1993. 0-679-84402-3
Food Rules" The Stuff YOu Munch, Its Crunch, Its Punch and Why
You Sometimes Lose
Your Lunch.Bill Haduch. Dutton, 2001. 0-525-46419-0.
Greasy Grimy Gopher Guts: The Subversive Folklor of Childhood.
Josepha Sherman & T.K.F.
Weisskopf. August House, 1995. 0-87483-444-9.
Gross Goodies. Tina Vilicich-Solomon. Lowell House, 1996.
1-56565-550-8.
Grosser Goodies: Beastly Bites That Look Bad but Taste Good.
Vilicich-Solomon. Lowell
House, 1998. 1-56565-734-9.
Grossology, the Science of Really Gross Things. Sylvia Branzai.
Addison-Wesley, 1995.
0-201-40964-X.
How to Eat Fried Worms. Thomas Rockwell. Franklin Watts, 1973.
0-531-02631-0.
It's Disgusting and We Ate It! True Food Facts From Around the
World and Throughout
History. James Solheim. Simon % Schuster, 1998.
0-689-80675-2.
Oh, Yuck! The Encyclopedia of Everything Nasty. JOy Masoff.
Workman, 2000.
0-7611-0771-1.
Roald Dahl's Even More Revolting Recipes. Roald Dahl (of course).
Viking, 2001.
0-670-03515-7.
websites:
Edible Insects: www.eatbug.com
Family Corner.com:
www.thefamilycorner.com/family/kids/recipes/halloweenparty.shtml
Grossology, the Science of Gross Things: www.grossology.org
The Yuckiest Site on the Internet:
http://yucky.kids.discovery.com.
activities:
~read from a book or poems from It's Raining Pigs and Noodles or
Rolling Harvey Down the Hill, both by Jack Prelutsky.
~Set up a cafe area named Greasy Spoon, Crunchy Critters. Have
gross treats to try.
~Dress in really gross clothes (or have teens do this) and serve
snacks based on a gross menu.
~Have a belching contest. You can provide pop to assist....
A teacher at a school I worked at always had her kids make a menu
for "The Road Kill Cafe". The more gross the entries, the better.
Hope this helps....any credit or blame goes to the 2003
Collaborative Summer Library Program Manual, Patti Sinclair,
Editor, c. 2002, Highsmith.
--
Nancy Thelen
920 W. Michigan Ave
Three Rivers Public Library
Three Rivers, MI
nthelan@monroe.lib.mi.us
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From: "Aissatou Sunjata" <asunjata@cumberland.lib.nc.us>
To: <pubyac@prairienet.org>
Subject: RE: book talk query
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Date: Wed, 28 May 2003 10:11:06 CDT
Ms. Mendez,
There is a difference between colleagues asking questions of each other
regarding certain issues/situations, etc. presented to them in their
particular library systems and those of students in Graduate School for
library science degrees. In many cases when I have monitored this
listserv, questions from those who are studying to become librarians
appear to be those that were given as assignments and instead of them
trying to locate the answers through their available channels, they know
about this listserv and others and so they post the questions knowing
that as librarians we will in many cases happily and freely answer the
questions sometimes to the tune of multiple responses warranting a
dissertation. Assignment done, next! We each hopefully earned our
degrees in this profession, and the nature of the degree is designed for
us to use our thought processes to locate the best resources or the best
answer we can come up with and not the best answer knowledgeable
librarians can recall. I agree with others, we do ourselves and the
profession a disservice by spending our time answering questions of
those who are suppose to be in school learning how to become librarians.
If what we are doing by answering these questions is simply saying all
one has to do when confronted with class assignments that are not easily
answered is to post the question on the appropriate listservs then what
does it say about the librarian being helped? What does it say about the
profession we have chosen? We might want to many times guide in how to
fish instead of so freely providing one.
Opinions expressed, my own and not those of the institution which
employs me.
Aissatou Sunjata, M.L.I.S.
Cumberland County Public Library
And while my questions may have seemed mundane to some, the questions at
the time were greatly important to me. The help I have received not only
helped me professionally but added a little to my pride in being a
librarian. We
are all ultimately in the same position or approaching it - As
Librarians we are some of the most unappreciated and under funded
Professionals it makes a difference to know that there is a
"Sisterhood"
out there where we can share our experiences as librarians talk about
the struggles we face dealing with the public. Most importantly its good
to know we can put out our hand when we are struggling or have questions
and our fellow librarians are there to share their experiences and not
judging us.
Tara Mendez
Chief Librarian
Pembroke Public Library
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From: Sandi Blakney <sblakney@tln.lib.mi.us>
To: PUBlic librarians serving Young Adults and Children
Subject: Re: How to do a booktalk
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Date: Wed, 28 May 2003 10:11:14 CDT
Since when has public humiliation effectively taught anything positive to
the one being chastised?
Every one of us has the right to our opinion -- a "private" response
to
the "offender" would allow one to vent yet not be perceived as being
sour,
etc.
Although I have been a professional librarian for several years, I
remember well how overwhelmed I was by some of the assignments given.
Yes, stretching oneself does lead to growth but using a personal trainer
does not lessen the usefulness of the exercise. There is a BIG difference
between requesting assistance and expecting someone else to do one's
homework! Did I miss something? Did one of us read the book, write
up
the book talk, and hand the package over to the student?
How can we expect our patrons to feel comfortable asking us for assistance
when we can't even be courteous to colleagues???
Like Alisa, I will think long and hard before purchasing or recommending
books by these so-called professionals.
Oh, and did I mention that one of our library assistants is a grad student
in library science? and that she is a certified teacher? and that
she
has been responsible for a variety of storytime programs this year? and
that she just came to us and requested help with a book talk? Seems her
prof is an education faculty member who has NEVER done a book talk, and is
clueless about library science. Did we ridicule our assistant? Did
we
moan and groan about how low we have sunk, allowing someone as lazy as her
to aspire to our profession? No - we helped her, just as we would help
any patron that came into our library seeking help in finding answers.
That's what we are here for.
Just MY two cents worth.
Sandi
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Sandi Blakney
Director
Allen Park Public Library Voice: 313-381-2425
8100 Allen Road FAX: 313-381-2124
Allen Park, MI 48101 e-mail: sblakney@tln.lib.mi.us
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