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From: "PUBYAC: PUBlic librarians serving Young Adults and Children" <pubyac@prairienet.org>
To: "PUBYAC: PUBlic librarians serving Young Adults and Children" <pubyac@prairienet.org>
Sent: Thursday, May 29, 2003 5:28 PM
Subject: PUBYAC digest 1124
PUBYAC Digest 1124
Topics covered in this issue include:
1) Re: chat rooms
by Nancy Thelen <nthelan@monroe.lib.mi.us>
2) Library Attire site
by "Wanda Jones" <wjones98@hotmail.com>
3) Re: Gross Humor
by "Koh, Caren" <Caren.Koh@QueensLibrary.org>
4) Re: Need help spending money quick
by "Margaret Keefe" <mkeefe@midhudson.org>
5) chat rooms and IM's compilation (long)
by Nancy Thelen <nthelan@monroe.lib.mi.us>
6) Jacob's Ladder followup
by "Carol Chatfield" <cchatfield@myriad.middlebury.edu>
7) RE: PUBYAC digest 1122 -- regarding Lemony Snicket
by "Sophie Brookover" <sophie@mtlaurel.lib.nj.us>
8) Re: library tours
by Margaret Siebert <psiebert12508@yahoo.com>
9) Library games
by Greg Ullman <gullman@ci.covina.ca.us>
10) RE: book talk query
by "Tara Mendez" <TaraM@mail2tara.com>
11) Ellison
by Tina Sizemore <tina5652@yahoo.com>
12) Employment Opportunity - King County Library System - WA
by "Christy Strzelecki" <cstrzele@kcls.org>
13) Re: response to booktalk query
by "C.A. LeBlanc" <claire_oldsmar@hotmail.com>
14) booktalk response
by Susan Elisabeth Morton <semorton@dal.ca>
15) Computer games
by medwards@wepl.lib.oh.us
16) Permission Slip for Mehndi Program
by Jean Nichols <jean@clarksville.org>
17) Photographs on Websites
by <myleej@ozemail.com.au>
18) Booktalk request and responses
by "Carol Edwards" <edwarc@mx.pon.net>
19) Attachments and PUBYAC
by "PUBYAC Moderator" <pyowner@pallasinc.com>
20) Rude Booktalk response
by ann chapman <amom124@yahoo.com>
21) Cowboy Story Time
by Laurel Reisen <lreisen@rocketmail.com>
22) Nesting Dolls
by nadine <wpl_nadine@yahoo.com>
23) Stumper-Tommy and sailboat
by nadine <wpl_nadine@yahoo.com>
24) RE: Maurice Sendak program ideas?
by Mary Ann Gilpatrick <MGilpatrick@ci.walla-walla.wa.us>
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From: Nancy Thelen <nthelan@monroe.lib.mi.us>
To: pubyac@prairienet.org
Subject: Re: chat rooms
Date: Thu, 29 May 2003 15:16:29 CDT
Thanks. I do mean email through Yahoo or some other company. The
library will not provide accounts. (just imagine the
headaches!!).
--
Nancy Thelen
920 W. Michigan Ave
Three Rivers Public Library
Three Rivers, MI
nthelan@monroe.lib.mi.us
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From: "Wanda Jones" <wjones98@hotmail.com>
To: LM_NET@LISTSERV.SYR.EDU, pubyac@prairienet.org
Subject: Library Attire site
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Date: Thu, 29 May 2003 15:16:38 CDT
Recently, some one posted a website that sells "librarian attire".
Could
that person post it again?
Thanks-a-bunch,
Wanda
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From: "Koh, Caren" <Caren.Koh@QueensLibrary.org>
To: "'pubyac@prairienet.org'"
<pubyac@prairienet.org>
Subject: Re: Gross Humor
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Date: Thu, 29 May 2003 15:16:47 CDT
Interesting that you mention adult literature. Some (?!) people just never
grow out of gross humor -- there are lots of examples in adult
collections... too many to list. Our collections must satisfy all tastes.
I certainly don't like every book I buy, but someone using our collections
surely will.
Caren Koh, Youth Services Materials Specialist
Queens Borough Public Library
Jamaica, NY
"Opinions are mine, all mine, and only mine."
Nancy Bonne wrote:
I've been enjoying the discussion of finding gross humor (or not finding
it) and was moved to head to the adult fiction section for "Theophilus
North", by Thornton Wilder. In it, Theophilus, a recent Yale grad,
spends
the summer in Newport, RI doing various odd jobs of an intellectual nature.
In the chapter "The Fenwicks", Theophilus is astonished to see a young
16-year-old man blushing furiously when he says the word "catgut"
and
"Chamber", and I quote: "Charles Fenwick at sixteen was
going through a
phase that he should have outgrown by the age of
twelve." because he'd always been privately tutored.
Everyone needs that
grade-school humor as a developmental thing, I guess...Nancy
Bonne bonne@noblenet.org
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From: "Margaret Keefe" <mkeefe@midhudson.org>
To: <jbaker93711@yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: Need help spending money quick
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Date: Thu, 29 May 2003 15:16:56 CDT
Jennifer,
Actually, spending money fast is one of the things I'm really good at! But
on to the suggestions. We have recently purchased a Kamishibai stage and the
accompanying clapper (hyoshigi) to use with Japanese Kamishibai story cards.
If you don't know about these, here's their website address with explanatory
info and also the catalog pages at the bottom for ordering:
http://kamishibai.com/background.htm
The story cards slide into the wooden stage and make the whole Kamishibai
experience one of theater instead of just a story hour. The cards are
sequential, with beautiful story illustrations on the front for the audience
to see and the appropriate text on the back of whatever card is exposed to
the "reader", who is standing at the back or side of the stage. The
clapper
is traditionally used in the Japanese villages to alert residents that the
storyteller is here, ready to begin telling the stories. Having the stage
and clapper make the whole cultural experience come alive for the audience.
For older children, pointing out the Japanese art style of the illustrations
gives the program an additional cultural dimension.
Our librarians have used this with very young children up to older ones.
They do say that practicing moving the cards smoothly is a must for the
program to go well. As you see on the website, the stories vary in age
appropriateness so you could purchase some for each age and cover a lot of
territory. We put a copy of the history of Kamishibai in with each story
card set when we loan them out so the librarians can give children
age-appropriate background info to help set the mood. If you have a cassette
of Japanese music to play, that would probably also make the experience more
authentic.
The stage is $165 and the story cards are about $40 each, less if you buy
several, so you could get a group of them and have a really good
multicultural resource for many years.
Margaret M. Keefe
Coordinator of Youth Services
Mid-Hudson Library System
103 Market Street
Poughkeepsie, NY 12601
Phone: 845-471-6060 X35
FAX: 845-454-5940
E-mail: mkeefe@midhudson.org
URL: midhudson.org
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From: Nancy Thelen <nthelan@monroe.lib.mi.us>
To: "PUBYAC@prairienet.org"
<PUBYAC@prairienet.org>
Subject: chat rooms and IM's compilation (long)
Date: Thu, 29 May 2003 15:17:04 CDT
Hi,
Thanks to all who replied, here are the replies I got to my
question about other library policies about allowing chat and
instant messages:
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Michele Farley" <mfarley@brownsburg.lib.in.us>
We do allow email, but we do not allow any type of chat. This
includes internet gaming that allow the players to talk to each
other via a chat like format. They can play the games, but not
participate in the chat portion. Our concern was with children
(a lot of whom come to use the internet without direct parent
supervision) mainly, but because we can single out the kids per
se, we made it a rule for all patrons.
HTH,
Michele Farley
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"Terry Lambert, Youth Services Coordinator"
<lamberte@oplin.lib.oh.us>
At our library, (Bluffton Ohio) we allow e-mail but no chat or
instant messaging. I personally don't agree with the im, but it
is to keep children from talking "live" with persons they may or
may not know. It is strictly a safety issue. We have problems
from time to time, but it
is usually newer patrons who aren't aware of our policies. No one
seems to mind a lot. A lot, lot, lot of adults come in to check
their mail. I can't imagine not allowing that!! Also, the games
that interact live with online players (chess, checkers etc) are
not allowed. We
discontinued that when kids started getting inappropriate
messages from other players who only had screen names, no one
knew who they were. Hope this helps.
Terry Lambert, Youth Services Coordinator
Bluffton Public Library
Bluffton Ohio
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Margaret Siebert <psiebert12508@yahoo.com>
We don't allow games or chat rooms on the premise that they tie
up the computers for too long. We allow people to check and send
e-mail, but they are limited to half an hour and must finish
within that time. In the summer we must be especially vigilant
about the time limit because we have several camps nearby with
staff drawn from all over the world. It was a little
disconcerting when we first saw a young man e-mailing
Transylvania! :-)
Peg Siebert
Blodgett Library
Fishkill, NY
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Tina Sizemore <tina5652@yahoo.com>
Hi, Nancy. I'm the children's librarian in Evansville, Indiana.
We have no filters and basically allow the kids to access e-mail,
chat, or about anything they want (except porn). I believe
disallowing access to these sites is the same as censorship, so
we don't go there.
Good luck!
Tina Sizemore
Willard Library
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Lisa Loftin <mt_lisa@DAYTON.LIB.OH.US>
Organization: Dayton & Montgomery County Public Library
Nancy - Here in Dayton, Ohio, we allow email and chat. With
Internet access, patrons set up their own accounts on Yahoo,
Hotmail, etc. That's also where they go to chat. The library used
to forbid chat, but we got tired of playing Internet police,
since there's no effective way to block chat rooms if you have
internet access. We're not happy with the chat aspect, but unless
we want to walk around all day telling folks they can't do that,
we just can't stop it. Good luck!
Lisa
Dayton Metro Library
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OdonLibrarian@aol.com
I've been at this library for three years. When I started e-mail
was allowed -- no chatting, no playing of Internet games. I
understood the chatting, but couldn't understand the problem with
playing games (maybe keeping the computers for more serious
pursuits?)
We now allow games but still not chatting. It's difficult to
police, however, and now many of the games provide opportunities
to "whisper" to the other participants. Is that chatting?
I feel that e-mail is a valuable library service, not only for
residentsof the library district but for travelers experiencing
severe e-mail withdrawal symptoms. (Been there, done that. ;-)
We're now the "official" break stop for our mail carrier. He
gets 10 minutes for his break and can stop and check his e-mail
at the library. It would be hard to imagine a justifiable reason
to disallow this activity for adults. (Children under 12 have no
Internet access at all
in our library.)
Good luck with your new policy.
Marsha
Marsha Lynn
Odon Winkelpleck Public Library
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"Carol Chatfield" <cchatfield@harpo.middlebury.edu>
We have 11 public Internet workstations, and we have no
restrictions on their use. Because we found the the first guy in
would sit there all day doing email and chat, we opted for a time
management program. Now everyone gets 32 minutes of time to do
as they please, and when it's up, the computer shuts down. In
the 7 years we have had Internet access, I can think of only once
that a child got into a chat room and a parent was dismayed. We
know it's done all the time, but we don't attempt to monitor or
restrict it in any way. We make no bones about the fact that our
policy says parents are responsible for children's behavior and
that we don't monitor. We do, however, have one children's
computer with Cybersitter in case a parent should choose that for
his child - no one ever has since we installed it, but we do have
that option available. We do give 2nd disks for legitimate
researching, etc., but you have to ask. We also give 2nd disks on
days when there is absolutely no one in the library and it seems
silly not to. After school, however, everyone knows they get
only one to keep computers turning over. We have enough policing
to do already, getting the noise level under control, keeping
McDonald's meals out of restricted Vermont Room areas, etc., so
we really can't keep track of how people use their Internet time.
Our biggest problem is the kids who use sites with games on and
pound on the keyboards to shoot the aliens or whatever. That
always attracts a crowd on onlookers and noise levels climb, not
to mention it being hard on the equipment.
Carol Chatfield
Ilsley Public Library
Middlebury, Vt
cchatfield@myriad.middlebury.edu
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"Susan Dailey" <obldailey@wellscolibrary.org>
At our library, we allow email, but we don't allow chat rooms or
instant messengers. We feel that these are too time consuming
and that we do not have sufficient stations for these purposes.
We've also had instant messenger messages pop up when someone
else was on the computer. (This was a long time ago so maybe
that wouldn't be a problem now, but we've never changed the
policy.) With chat rooms, there is also the possibility of some
child connecting with someone who is dangerous. We don't have
filters, but we do have security (Fortress) on the computers so
that files can't be downloaded. You can find our acceptable use
policy on our website at
http://www.wellscolibrary.org/internetform.html.
Good luck in whatever you decide,
Susan Dailey,
Librarian, speaker and author of A Storytime Year
www.susanmdailey.com
Ossian Branch Library, Ossian, IN 46777
obldailey@wellscolibrary.org
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Bonita Kale <Bonita.Kale@euclidlibrary.org>
We don't allow chat or instant messaging in the c hildren's
dept. In adult, I think there are only a few computers on which
chat was allowed. Besides the safety issue, we were getting all
the computers tied up with kids "chatting" to their friends on
the next computer. It was hard to get in to look up a book.
E-mail we do allow, assuming you mean Yahoo or some other on-line
e-mail. We don't -provide- it, but we don't forbid it, either.
Bonita
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Nancy Thelen
920 W. Michigan Ave
Three Rivers Public Library
Three Rivers, MI
nthelan@monroe.lib.mi.us
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From: "Carol Chatfield" <cchatfield@myriad.middlebury.edu>
To: <pubyac@prairienet.org>
Subject: Jacob's Ladder followup
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Thank you to all who offered suggestions and information about the Jacob's
Ladder toy and the nesting doll stories.
It appears that there are no written versions of stories using the Jacob's
Ladder toy, which is named after the biblical account of Jacob having a
vision seeing the angels ascending a ladder to heaven.
Devon Kurtz, the educator at Sturbridge Village, says that they encourage
staff to play with the toy, try out shapes, and make up a story to go along
with it. The girl I saw do it tells me that her story was devised to point
out various things on the tour she gives at Sturbridge, so it is really used
as something to make a point about a place rather than to do real
storytelling in the traditional form. Everyone's story is thus unique, and
nobody seems to have written any of them down anywhere. The toy I bought
comes with a sheet with several figures on it, but anyone who is clever can
find instructions on the Internet (Google search using Jacob's Ladder toy as
search words) for making your own.
Janet Kreason is the only one who says she uses nesting doll stories, and
she recommends Anne Pellowski's "Naughty Marysia" for preschoolers,
found in
The Story Vine, and "Five Clever Girls" in The Family Storyteller
Handbook
for grades 2-4. Janet passed along th idea that older children can make
their own set of nesting dolls by using paper cups of graduated sizes.
I appreciate each and every one of you that took the time to reply. I
shall
now begin thinking of next summer and working on my own story so I can wow
the kids with my presentation.
Carol Chatfield
Ilsley Public Library
Middlebury, VT
cchatfield@myriad.middlebury.edu
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From: "Sophie Brookover" <sophie@mtlaurel.lib.nj.us>
To: <pubyac@prairienet.org>
Subject: RE: PUBYAC digest 1122 -- regarding Lemony Snicket
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Date: Thu, 29 May 2003 15:17:21 CDT
Regina Fabbro asked about Lemony Snicket parties, which made me realize that
I never reported on the The Sinister Soiree I hosted at my library a month
or so ago.
We held The Sinister Soiree in the afternoon, as a real Soiree would be held
at night, and the attendees were too young to drive and shouldn't walk home
in the dark. :) I used activities drawn from posts other PUBYAC-ers
submitted.
First, I broke the kids down into teams: Klaus, Violet, and Sunny.
Each of
them had either a green K, a purple V, or a yellow S taped to their shirts.
Then we played a bunch of games:
Violet's Inventions -- I gave each team 5 straws, 3 yards of masking tape,
10 paper clips, 3 pipecleaners, and a length of ribbon (either for tying up
their hair, or for inclusion in their invention). Each team had 10 minutes
to create an invention worthy of Violet Baudelaire. The teams all voted on
who had created the best invention, and a prize of a lemon was given to the
winning team.
Bite-along with Sunny -- I assembled a plate of baby carrots and pretzels
for the kids to bite and crunch as loudly as they could. We also had a
bubble-gum blowing contest, but this didn't go as well as I'd hoped. The
gum was too soft, and the pieces were freakishly large -- many of the kids
had a difficult time chewing it, much less blowing bubbles. Next time,
I'll
skip Hubba Bubba and go right for the flavorless (but more bubble-friendly)
Bazooka.
Hacking Contest -- I handed out kleenex and asked the kids to do their best,
most Mr. Poe-like coughs. The winner received a lemon.
Count Olaf's Eyeball Relay -- I hard-boiled a bunch of eggs and drew eyes on
them with a Sharpie. The kids had to walk/run as fast as they could from
one end of the craft room to the other with the egg on a spoon and then pass
the egg & spoon to the teammate who was next in line. The winning team
received lemons.
And then we had snacks -- lemonade, pretzels, other crunchy foods (in honor
of Sunny) -- and I handed out the real prizes: bottles of blowing bubbles.
Surprisingly, the kids loved the lemons even more than the bubbles, and
asked to keep them, too. Who was I to refuse?
It was so much fun, and I'll definitely do it again, only next time, not in
the echo-y craft room. I spoke at the top of my voice for about an hour
and
could only croak for the next day or so afterwards.
Good luck w/your party!
Sophie
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Sophie Brookover
Youth Services Librarian
Mount Laurel Library
100 Walt Whitman Avenue
Mount Laurel, NJ 08054
tel: 856.234.7319 x.336
e: sophie@mtlaurel.lib.nj.us
"There's more to life than books, you know, but not much more." -- The
Smiths
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From: "Regina M. Fabbro" <rfabbro@tln.lib.mi.us>
To: pubyac@prairienet.org
Subject: Lemony Snicket Info
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Date: Tue, 27 May 2003 17:50:11 CDT
Our library is planning to host a party based on the Series of Unfortunate
Events. I've come across some great ideas for foods to be served, crafts,
etc., but I wanted to come directly to *the* source! If you have hosted
such a party, could I pick your brain for some activities or decoration
ideas?
I've also heard numerous release dates for the 10th book, The Slippery
Slope. Does anyone have any information on this yet?
Many thanks in advance!
Regina Fabbro
Youth Services
Brighton District Library
Brighton, MI 48116
rfabbro@tln.org
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From: Margaret Siebert <psiebert12508@yahoo.com>
To: pubyac@prairienet.org
Subject: Re: library tours
Date: Thu, 29 May 2003 15:17:29 CDT
I've encountered that, too. People have even chastised me for putting the
same number on two different books, as if the numbers were supposed to be
accession numbers. (Does anyone use such any more?)
Another thing I've noticed is that many of our patrons don't know that the
books are arranged left-to-right and top-to-bottom. They scan across the top
shelf of a four-shelf stack, reach the bookend, and skip to the top shelf of
the next stack! Ever since I noticed more than one person doing that I've
made sure I mention the correct order of shelves when doing a tour.
I always explain that it's like reading lines on a page - left to right
across the rows until you've read them all, then on to the next page, or in
this case stack. The kids look at me like I'm nuts, but I tell that I'm just
making sure they don't make the same mistake I see adults making. They feel
so superior!
Peg Siebert
Blodgett Library
Fishkill, NY
Bonita Kale <Bonita.Kale@euclidlibrary.org>
wrote:
I may be too pessimistic, but I think we need to stress the really basic
stuff first--that the numbers mean subjects and that they are roughly the
same in most libraries. We have so many, many adults who don't understand
that at all. It comes as a revelation to them that the numbers have any
meaning at all, and a delightful surprise that they match in the children's
and adults' departments!
I don't think the kids will remember Dewey categories, but we can hope that
they will remember that a number means a subject. I think they might be
encouraged, too, to memorize the number of their favorite subject, if they
know that the same number will work for different libraries.
(I learned 636, I remember, first of all.) And there's 567, of course. And
741.5.
Bonita
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From: Greg Ullman <gullman@ci.covina.ca.us>
To: "'pubyac@prairienet.org'"
<pubyac@prairienet.org>
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Since our Summer Reading Program will only last from mid-June to the
end of July, I was looking for something entertaining (and educational) that
children could do during August on their own in the library with little or
no staff involvement once it is prepared. Puzzles and other seatwork would
be fine, since we would only have to photocopy pages, but I was wondering if
anyone has done a treasure hunt. I was thinking they would be given a few
different paths to choose from (so there aren't too many people following
the same trail at once). Each of the starting points would be a clue that
leads them to a location in the library, where they will find the next clue
posted. Each clue would also give them the next word of a riddle (so they
will have to find the clues in sequence instead of stumbling onto them).
They would follow the trail of clues until they find the last one, and then
solve the riddle that they had collected word-by-word. I would give small
prizes to those that finish all the games.
If anyone can point me to some puzzles or treasure hunts like I
described (and whether such games encourage them to noisily run around the
library) I'd appreciate it.
-- Greg Ullman
Covina Public Library
Adult and Young Adult Services
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From: "Tara Mendez" <TaraM@mail2tara.com>
To: <pubyac@prairienet.org>
Subject: RE: book talk query
Date: Thu, 29 May 2003 15:17:46 CDT
Thank you for taking the time to respond to me. I would put forward
would we supply a patron information on how to make a bomb or the recipe
for Anthrax? We probably would our job as librarians is to respond to
queries and not judge the question. I understand the desire to have
students do their own work I wonder if the student was simply asking for
the inside track, how it is done in the real world. I know a few years
ago I had to do a book talk, and after being out of library school for
many many years I needed help I was fortunate enough to have a good
friend who was also a seasoned children's librarian. She did not
belittle me but rather gave me the guidance I needed. I read the book
and prepared the book talk but she showed me the way I often think of
PUBYAC in the same way a group of librarians from different parts who
join together to help each other out. I would wonder now about the
damage that has been done to those fellow librarians who are lurking and
now fear ever asking a question least they be put in their place. I am
happy to be involved in PUBYAC and think it is a priceless resource and
something I am proud to be associated. You have done a marvelous job as
moderator of this listserv and it is not a job I would ever envy but I
think once we choose which questions we will answer we are going down a
slippery slope. The student who is looking for the easy way out will
ultimately fail because they do not have all the information. Much like
a seasoned mechanic explaining to me how to fix my alternator, there is
certain knowledge that is assumed. Only one opinion among many and not
necessarily more interesting than library cats.
Thanks
Tara Mendez
Pembroke Public Library.
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From: Tina Sizemore <tina5652@yahoo.com>
To: pubyac@prairienet.org
Subject: Ellison
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Date: Thu, 29 May 2003 15:17:55 CDT
I have heard glorious things about the Ellison from
other children's librarians, but not having ever seen
one or what one can do, I'm confused about just what
exactly is so wonderful about it.
Can someone who has one explain its uses, ease or
difficulty of use, and whether it's worth whatever it
costs? Does it do things or make things that can't be
done or made by other methods?
We've never had one, and I am wondering if we're
missing out on something wonderful, or are we doing
the same things but in a different manner. Would you
all recommend purchasing one? We are rather limited
on space -- does it take up much?
TIA for all info. and advice.
Tina Sizemore
Children's Librarian
Willard Library
Evansville, Indiana
Reply directly to:
tsizemore@willard.lib.in.us
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From: "C.A. LeBlanc" <claire_oldsmar@hotmail.com>
To: pubyac@prairienet.org
Subject: Re: response to booktalk query
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Date: Thu, 29 May 2003 15:18:12 CDT
>now that i'm working on this survey of pubyac users,
>i'm noticing the large percentage of people that are
>just lurking. i've even had a few comments to the
>effect that people would be "afraid" to post something
>because of the response they might get. how sad is
>that?!?
And after this latest incident, is it any wonder???
>which leads me to one final thought, we aren't bound
>to answer pubyac questions the same way we are walk-in
>patrons so if you can't say something nice...hit
>delete.
>
>~j.
>
>=====
>~jenniferbaker
>fresno co. public library
Agreed! Just because we are on the internet is no reason to treat others
so
rudely! If you want to be helpful, then do so, if you don't want to, then
don't. If you think the inquiry is incredibly inappropriate, complain
privately to the moderator or person who wrote the original inquiry. This
is common netiquette, I would think!!
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From: Susan Elisabeth Morton <semorton@dal.ca>
To: pubyac@prairienet.org
Subject: booktalk response
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Date: Thu, 29 May 2003 15:18:21 CDT
Pubyac folk:
I'm a recent MLIS graduate and I too used this listserv (YA series)resource
only as part of an assignment, to experience the PUBYAC response. Egads! It
was unlike the booktalk responses. Thank goodness.
---
Susan E. Morton
semorton@is2.dal.ca
MLIS Graduate (2003)
"So much has already been written about everything that you can't find out
anything about it." -- James Thurber
Definition of a librarian:"Vibrant, dynamic, sexy, smart and able to
understand technology better than anyone else." (Pat Cavill, Librarian and
past president of the Library Association of Alberta)
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From: medwards@wepl.lib.oh.us
To: pubyac@prairienet.org
Subject: Computer games
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Date: Thu, 29 May 2003 15:18:30 CDT
A forwarded message...
Dear Melissa,
Would you mind forwarding this message to pubyac? For some reason, I am able
to receive messages but not send them!
This is in regard to getting out of/quitting computer games: Use the alt
and F4 keys together. This should bring you back to the main menu. (Parents
love this tip.)
Bonnie Dundas
VT
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From: Jean Nichols <jean@clarksville.org>
To: "pubyac@prairienet.org"
<pubyac@prairienet.org>
Subject: Permission Slip for Mehndi Program
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Date: Thu, 29 May 2003 15:18:38 CDT
Dear Pubyac Friends,
Do any of you have a permission slip to use in conjunction with doing a
program using Mehndi? We plan to do this during our summer reading
program and hope you can help with either a permission slip or the
particulars that we should cover in the permission slip. Please email
me off list at: <jean@clarksville.org>
Thank you,
Jean Nichols
Clarksville-Montgomery County Public Library
Clarksville, TN 37040
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From: <myleej@ozemail.com.au>
To: pubyac@prairienet.org
Subject: Photographs on Websites
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Date: Thu, 29 May 2003 15:18:46 CDT
Hi all,
Forgive me if this has been discussed before, but can anyone supply an
example of a policy on using photos of children on a library or local
government website?
Please reply direct to my work email address:
mailto:mylee.joseph@willoughby.nsw.gov.au
regards, Mylee
Mylee Joseph
Manager, Outreach Services
Willoughby City Library
Level 3 / 411 Victoria Avenue
Chatswood NSW 2067
Phone: 02) 9777 7905 Fax: 02) 9413 2038
mylee.joseph@willoughby.nsw.gov.au
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From: "Carol Edwards" <edwarc@mx.pon.net>
To: <pubyac@prairienet.org>
Subject: Booktalk request and responses
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Date: Thu, 29 May 2003 15:18:54 CDT
Far be it from me to try to tell other people what to do. I have a hard
enough time deciding what I should do in my own life.
BUT... when I post to this list, I do realize that lots of people read the
post and see my name. If I were a student and thinking about getting a job
someday in the library world, I wouldn't want to post a query in any way but
the most professional I could.
I have noticed on this list and others that I subscribe to that because we
aren't facing each other we tend to think that we'll never be accountable
for what is said here, but that's far from true. The next conference,
library get-together, or state meeting may see you meeting other pubyaccers.
It's just a good idea to realize that at the beginning.
I've chuckled for a long time about those irritated "unsubscribe me
$%&@*#"
notices that show up from time to time. If those come from a student
finished with a class and thinking they'll apply for work in a few weeks,
they best hope that no one remembers their name come interview time. ;)
Ciao, Carol
Carol Edwards
Sonoma County Library
Santa Rosa, CA
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From: "PUBYAC Moderator" <pyowner@pallasinc.com>
To: "pubyac" <pubyac@prairienet.org>
Subject: Attachments and PUBYAC
Date: Thu, 29 May 2003 15:21:49 -0600
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Please do not send attachments with a posting to PUBYAC. It cannot make it
through the Listproc unscathed. Just cut and paste the info directly into
the body of your message.
Shannon VanHemert
PUBYAC Moderator
pyowner@pallasinc.com
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From: ann chapman <amom124@yahoo.com>
To: pubyac@prairienet.org
Subject: Rude Booktalk response
Date: Thu, 29 May 2003 18:27:15 CDT
Dear Generous Librarians:
As an MLIS graduate student I must respond. I have had professors direct
the class to join a Listserv and have even had a 1500 word paper assigned
based solely on Listserv discussions. So please don't "blame"
students for
using the "professional" listservs. We are being directed
to them.
I have asked Pubyac for help once in addition to lots of research I had
already done. As I stated in my request, I felt no research in library
science would be complete without the wisdom of PUBYAC. When one is
writing
a 1500 word paper, the answers received from listservs are a drop in the
bucket of information gathering. No listserv is doing our work for us.
Did
you really finish library school that long ago that you have forgotten the
mountains of work involved?
My experience with this listserv has been fabulous. When I check my mail
every day and witness the way you support each other, and we students, I
know I have chosen the right profession. A few bad apples, no matter how
talented in the field, will never turn me off PUBYAC. Perhaps the booktalk
student's request was too brief but rudeness is never justified. I don't
think you help others out just "to make yourselves look good" as
suggested.
I think the public servant in you just has to come out and that is why you
are a librarian.
I respect and admire you and your profession and I will not be bullied out
of asking for your advice again if I need it.
Respectfully,
Ann Chapman
Graduate Student
Library and Information Science
Wayne State University
Detroit, MI
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From: Laurel Reisen <lreisen@rocketmail.com>
To: pubyac@prairienet.org
Subject: Cowboy Story Time
Date: Thu, 29 May 2003 18:27:23 CDT
I am planning a Cowboy Story Time next month and hoping to get some ideas.
I am not a novice story teller, I just have hit a brick wall and cannot come
up with any more ideas. Can you tell it is the beginning of our Summer
Reading Program??? <grin>
The stories I have so far are:
Sixteen Cows by Wheeler
I Want to Be a Cowboy by Willis
Cowboy Baby by Heap
Cowboy Bunnies by Loomis
My audience is 3-4 year olds and I would like some additional titles and any
fingerplays and rhymes.
I have checked Perpetual Preschool, I'm a Little Teapot by Jane Cobb, and
2's Experience Fingerplays by Liz and Dick Wilmes as well as the collective
brain of my co-workers.
Thank you in advance for your help. If you prefer, you may respond off
list
at reisenlr@co.rowan.nc.us
Laurel Reisen
Stories To Go
Rowan Public Library
201 W Fisher St
Salisbury, NC 28144
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From: nadine <wpl_nadine@yahoo.com>
To: pubyac@prairienet.org
Subject: Nesting Dolls
Date: Thu, 29 May 2003 18:27:33 CDT
Hi,
I'm sorry, but I must have missed the request for info on Nesting Dolls. I
did a program on them back in Jan. I own two sets of the Russian dolls, as
well as a set of baseball players, bluebirds, Little Red Riding Hood, and
Snow White all done as nesting dolls. I also told families as they
registered to bring in any sets they have, and we set up a display that
night. I also was able to purchase a pin to wear that night from
kremlingifts.com (I bought the one for telling the story of the Turnip--it
was sooo cool!) I used the following four stories, though I also had
copies
of the things mentioned earlier; I tried to match up the stories with the
number of dolls and opened them as the story called for it. The program went
over very well...I had both males and females, as well as parents and
grandparents in attendance. Between stories, I discussed the history of the
dolls, gleaned from several Internet sites, and included pictures. I will
definitely plan for another such program. Nadine
ID
Date
Author
Title
11
1/23/03
Ogburn, Jacqueline
Magic Nesting Doll
12
1/23/03
Bliss, Corinne Demas
Littlest Matryoshka
13
1/23/03
Morgan, Pierr
Turnip
14
1/23/03
Ayres, Becky Hickox
Matreshka
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From: nadine <wpl_nadine@yahoo.com>
To: pubyac@prairienet.org
Subject: Stumper-Tommy and sailboat
Date: Thu, 29 May 2003 18:27:40 CDT
Yaccers..do you recognize this?
This book must be at least 50 years old. It is about a sailboat that runs
away, ends up in a toy store, is very unhappy that no one buys him until
Tommy's father comes in for a toy, buys the sailboat, gives it to Tommy, and
they go and sail it. It meets up with a dragon fly and a frog, etc. all
going home...except for the sailboat....
Thanks for any help you can provide!
Nadine
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Nadine Lipman
Head of Children's Services
Waterford Public Library
49 Rope Ferry Rd.
Waterford, CT 06385
e-mail: WPL_nadine@yahoo.com
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From: Mary Ann Gilpatrick <MGilpatrick@ci.walla-walla.wa.us>
To: "'pubyac@prairienet.org'"
<pubyac@prairienet.org>
Subject: RE: Maurice Sendak program ideas?
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Date: Thu, 29 May 2003 18:27:49 CDT
Thanks for the storytime idea! I'll pull other "wild" books like *Miss
Emma's Wild Garden.* wild animal noise stretches. Magic at midnight stories
like *Midnight on the Farm.* *When the Sky is Like Lace.* Sendak
illustrations in *Moon Jumpers* (always one of my favorites, and the moon
should be full around then). Great, great, great.
Mary Ann Gilpatrick
Walla Walla Public Library
mgilpatrick@ci.walla-walla.wa.us
Hello all:
I'd like to do a special program for Sendak's 75th birthday in a couple
weeks, (and 40th anniversary of Where the Wild Things Are) but I'm fresh out
of creativity. Does anybody have any great ideas? Are you planning
any
kind of event? Thanks, Mary Geist
Richardson Memorial Library branch
100 Spring Street
Emporia, VA 23847 434.634.2539
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