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From: "PUBYAC: PUBlic librarians serving Young Adults and Children" <pubyac@prairienet.org>
To: "PUBYAC: PUBlic librarians serving Young Adults and Children" <pubyac@prairienet.org>
Sent: Saturday, May 31, 2003 11:01 PM
Subject: PUBYAC digest 1126
PUBYAC Digest 1126
Topics covered in this issue include:
1) Parent/Child Book Club
by BookBaBa@aol.com
2) Re: jobs near NYC
by "Sara Levinson" <saramador@hotmail.com>
3) reference program
by "robin kessler" <redrobin@usa.com>
4) Booktalk query
by Diane.Tuccillo@cityofmesa.org
5) Booktalk response
by "Ziman, Holly" <HZiman@ci.burbank.ca.us>
6) Gross stuff
by "Grace Slaughter" <gslaughter@bham.lib.al.us>
7) Re: response to booktalk query
by "Sheilah O'Connor" <soconnor@tpl.toronto.on.ca>
8) Re: Suggestions Wanted
by "Diana Norton, Mid-York" <DNorton@midyork.org>
9) RE: Library Attire site
by Peggy Odom <podom@ci.waco.tx.us>
10) Mock Caldecott Election for Kids
by "Mary Voors" <Mvoors@acpl.lib.in.us>
11) RE: Library tours for elementary kids (fwd)
by CKehoe@bettendorf.lib.ia.us
12) re: booktalk furor
by Aclasper@aol.com
13) Re: Ellison
by "Kim Dolce" <kdolce@co.volusia.fl.us>
14) Re: Computer games
by Beth Tarr <bethtarr@yahoo.com>
15) Re: Ellison
by Smith <lsmith@suffolk.lib.ny.us>
16) Re: booktalks
by Allison Angell <aangell@soar.snap.lib.ca.us>
17) Harry Potter V midnight reading
by "Melissa MacLeod" <mmacleod@sailsinc.org>
18) Stumper
by "Linda Fields" <linda@richfieldcity.com>
19) ?Stumper @ Putting Doll Away
by "Shari Haber" <shaber@mcls.org>
20) RE: booktalk query
by "Kathleen Conger" <kathleen.conger@ci.stpaul.mn.us>
21) Stumper hopefully solved
by Rachel Baumgartner <baumgart@noblenet.org>
22) RE: Rude Booktalk response
by Mary Ann Gilpatrick <MGilpatrick@ci.walla-walla.wa.us>
23) Re: booktalk query
by JoyMoor@aol.com
24) Seaside stories?
by "Kim Dolce" <kdolce@co.volusia.fl.us>
25) Reading Assistance Programs
by "Melissa Rice" <mrice@webrary.org>
26) audiobooks - summer reading program
by "Cathy Chesher" <cchesher@monroe.lib.mi.us>
27) Viburnum Grant news?
by Debra Allen <kidsbooks2002@yahoo.com>
28) Dragon Ball series
by Nicole Conradt <nconradt@cooney.lib.wi.us>
29) stumper:bald people underground
by "Henegar, Sharon" <SLHenegar@ocpl.org>
30) stumper - giant clam and snorkeling
by Susan Dunn <sdunn@jefferson.lib.co.us>
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From: BookBaBa@aol.com
To: pubyac@prairienet.org
Subject: Parent/Child Book Club
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Dear Group,
I'm starting a parent/child book club for children entering 4th and 5th
grades. Any words of wisdom from those of you who have "been there,
done
that"?
Thanks,
Victoria Haddon
Grapevine Public Library
Grapevine, TX 76051
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From: "Sara Levinson" <saramador@hotmail.com>
To: pubyac@prairienet.org
Subject: Re: jobs near NYC
Date: Sat, 31 May 2003 18:20:37 CDT
The outlying areas are in Long Island (Nassau County & Suffolk County),
which is not part of NYC. They are hiring. They also are quite far from
Manhattan. But they pay quite a bit more than any of the library systems in
New York City.
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From: "robin kessler" <redrobin@usa.com>
To: PUBYAC@prairienet.org
Subject: reference program
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<P>To all the collective brains out there in <EM>Libraryland</EM>
I have a
request: Any suggestions on how to present a <STRONG>FUN
</STRONG>program on basic reference tools and techniques geared toward
elementary aged children (approx.ages 6-9 yrs.)????</P>
<P>Any input will be <STRONG>greatly</STRONG>
appreciated!!!</P>
<P>Thanks again--</P>
<P>Responses may be sent to my email at:</P>
<P><A href="mailto:redrobin@usa.com">redrobin@usa.com</A></P>
<P> </P>
<P><A href="mailto:redrobin@usa.com">redrobin@usa.com</A></P>
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From: Diane.Tuccillo@cityofmesa.org
To: pubyac@prairienet.org
Subject: Booktalk query
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Date: Sat, 31 May 2003 18:20:55 CDT
I have been reading the responses to the booktalk query with great
interest, and waiting to send my perspectives. I think Steve Englefried
really hit the nail on the head. From the post, it is not evident how much
research the student had done already and will do, on her own. Perhaps that
was the problem. I believe we are asked to post what we already researched
on our own, then ask for supplemental information when/if we need it.
Also, any library school instructor worth their salt would have already
given some leads to the students in their syllabus on where to get
information, or would have given a demonstration or some kind of handout to
get the students started on the topic of booktalking. (That is what Mary K.
did for me many years ago, when she was my instructor at Rutgers!) I
personally believe this student inquirer was seeking supplementary
information.
I frequently do presentations on booktalking (and other subjects) at
conferences and in classes. I prepare a bib and handouts on booktalking to
go with the information I present. I include some unique perspectives
during my presentations, such as interesting ways to use booktalks. This is
information those in my audiences would not get unless they heard my
presentation. My bib is also readily available to them, and I recommend my
favorite titles/articles and tell a little about them, and the audience
members don't have to do a bit of research, just locate the books/articles
I have listed. Often I have library school/related area students in my
audiences, as we have a number of colleges in AZ that offer library studies
in one form or another. How many of you have gone to conferences and
benefited from someone else "giving" you the information at programs?
I did respond personally to the student who posted the query, and sent her
some docs of my bibs and handouts. She would not have had access to this
information if she did not post here, just like the librarians who attended
my conference programs would not have had the access.
One more thing. I have an MLS student interning with me for credit this
summer here at our library (and she is one of my former YAAC members!). She
is also taking some summer classes online while working here with me, as
she attends library school in California. She knows how to research, and is
working hard to get even better at it. Yet, I still make sure she knows
where she can find the bibs we have done here, or I give her supplementary
information from my files that I think might benefit her. This does not
inhibit her learning in any way, only teaches her that there are various
avenues to find information, and some of those avenues are each other.
Diane Tuccillo
Librarian III/Young Adult Coordinator
City of Mesa Library, AZ
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From: "Ziman, Holly" <HZiman@ci.burbank.ca.us>
To: "'pubyac@prairienet.org'"
<pubyac@prairienet.org>
Subject: Booktalk response
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Date: Sat, 31 May 2003 18:21:03 CDT
Ann,
Good response. Most of us probably don't hold it against the original
questioner and are happy to share the information we know. Grumpy
responses, rather than I think bullying ones, might be the right descriptor?
Holly Ziman, YA Coordinator, Burbank PL
-----Original Message-----
From: ann chapman [mailto:amom124@yahoo.com]
Sent: Thursday, May 29, 2003 4:27 PM
To: pubyac@prairienet.org
Subject: Rude Booktalk response
Dear Generous Librarians:
As an MLIS graduate student I must respond. I have had professors direct
the class to join a Listserv and have even had a 1500 word paper assigned
based solely on Listserv discussions. So please don't "blame"
students for
using the "professional" listservs. We are being directed
to them.
I have asked Pubyac for help once in addition to lots of research I had
already done. As I stated in my request, I felt no research in library
science would be complete without the wisdom of PUBYAC. When one is
writing
a 1500 word paper, the answers received from listservs are a drop in the
bucket of information gathering. No listserv is doing our work for us.
Did
you really finish library school that long ago that you have forgotten the
mountains of work involved?
My experience with this listserv has been fabulous. When I check my mail
every day and witness the way you support each other, and we students, I
know I have chosen the right profession. A few bad apples, no matter how
talented in the field, will never turn me off PUBYAC. Perhaps the booktalk
student's request was too brief but rudeness is never justified. I don't
think you help others out just "to make yourselves look good" as
suggested.
I think the public servant in you just has to come out and that is why you
are a librarian.
I respect and admire you and your profession and I will not be bullied out
of asking for your advice again if I need it.
Respectfully,
Ann Chapman
Graduate Student
Library and Information Science
Wayne State University
Detroit, MI
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From: "Grace Slaughter" <gslaughter@bham.lib.al.us>
To: "'pubyac@prairienet.org'"
<pubyac@prairienet.org>
Subject: Gross stuff
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I co-worker emailed me a piece called "A piece of cake". You
know, one
of those chain send-to-others-if-you-like-it deals. BUT this piece
mentioned the individual ingredients of a cake: Oil - Yuck, raw eggs -
Gross, flour and baking soda - all Yucky.
The next point made was that individually the ingredients were gross or
yucky; but mixed in the proper proportions, the result is great!
Then the story of the little red hen popped into my head and I could all
but hear a Reader's Theater version of the hen finding the ingredients,
making a cake, etc. with the animal chorus of Yuck, Gross, etc.
Maybe one of ya'll can take the idea and use it with your gross program.
BTW the "piece of cake" letter follows at the end. Included only
for
the curious.
g
Sometimes we wonder, "What did I do to deserve this", or "Why did
God
have to do this to me". Here is a wonderful explanation!
A daughter is telling her Mother how everything is going wrong, She's
failing algebra, her boyfriend broke up with her and her best friend is
moving away.
Meanwhile her Mother is baking a cake and asks her daughter if she would
like a snack, the daughter says, "Absolutely Mom, I love your cake".
"Here, have some cooking oil," her Mother offers.
"Yuck" says her daughter.
"How about a couple raw eggs?"
"Gross Mom!"
"Would you like some flour then? Or maybe baking soda?"
"Mom, those are all yucky!"
To which the mother replies: "Yes, all those things seem bad all by
themselves. But when they are put together in the right way, they make a
wonderfully delicious cake! God works the same. Many times we wonder why
He would let us go through such bad and difficult times. But God knows
that when He puts these things all in His order, they always work for
good! We just have to trust Him and, eventually they will make something
wonderful!
God is crazy about you. He sends you flowers every spring and a sunrise
every morning. Whenever you want to talk, He'll listen. He can live
anywhere in the universe, and He chose your heart.
If you agree, you may send this on to people you really care about.
I hope your day is a "piece of Cake"
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From: "Sheilah O'Connor" <soconnor@tpl.toronto.on.ca>
To: <claire_oldsmar@hotmail.com>,
<pubyac@prairienet.org>
Subject: Re: response to booktalk query
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The only problem with responding privately is that if there *is* a =
perceived problem, bringing it out in the open allows discussion. We
=
know that some people feel that some questions should not be answered =
unless the student (and we were talking about a student, let's not forget) =
has shown that some real research has also gone on.
Other people feel that all questions should be answered equally. Surely =
this is a valid discussion?
Sheilah O'Connor
Toronto Public Library
>>> claire_oldsmar@hotmail.com
05/29/03 04:18PM >>>
Agreed! Just because we are on the internet is no reason to treat others =
so
rudely! If you want to be helpful, then do so, if you don't want to, then
don't. If you think the inquiry is incredibly inappropriate, complain
privately to the moderator or person who wrote the original inquiry. This
is common netiquette, I would think!!
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From: "Diana Norton, Mid-York" <DNorton@midyork.org>
To: <pubyac@prairienet.org>
Subject: Re: Suggestions Wanted
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Date: Sat, 31 May 2003 18:21:27 CDT
First I would remind the parent that there is no reason that every book the
child reads needs to present a challenge. Then I would inquire about reading
interests. Finally I would look at older( as in publication date since these
were often had higher reading levels) fiction. Some possibilites are The
Phantom Tollbooth, The Henry Reed books, The Mrs. Piggle Wiggle Books etc.
Also take a look at British books such as the Swallows and Amazons, Swarm in
May by William Mayne etc. I've found that these are frquently written at a
higher comprehension level.
Diana
---------- Original Message ----------------------------------
From: Clearskies150@aol.com
Reply-To: pubyac@prairienet.org
Date: Thu, 29 May 2003 18:28:25 CDT
>Hi everyone,
>
>I have a patron who emailed me and wanted to know what books I could
>recommend for her son who is in 2nd grade, but reads at a 6th grade level.
>
>There is such a big difference between the maturity level of a 7-8 year old
>and an 11 year old. Any suggestions????
>
>Mary-jo Zeising
>Children's Librarian
>Hollis Social Library
>Hollis, NH
>603 465-7721
>
>
--
Diana Norton
dnorton@midyork.org
Library Services Consultant
Mid-York Library System
Utica, NY 13502
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From: Peggy Odom <podom@ci.waco.tx.us>
To: "'pubyac@prairienet.org'"
<pubyac@prairienet.org>,
Subject: RE: Library Attire site
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Date: Sat, 31 May 2003 18:21:37 CDT
A coworker bought a nice shirt with embroidery that says librarian and has
books on it at TLA.
I'll forward this to her and see if she remembers who was selling it.
Peggy Odom, M.L.S.
-----Original Message-----
From: Wanda Jones [mailto:wjones98@hotmail.com]
Sent: Thursday, May 29, 2003 3:17 PM
To: LM_NET@LISTSERV.SYR.EDU; pubyac@prairienet.org
Subject: Library Attire site
Recently, some one posted a website that sells "librarian attire".
Could
that person post it again?
Thanks-a-bunch,
Wanda
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From: "Mary Voors" <Mvoors@acpl.lib.in.us>
To: <pubyac@prairienet.org>
Subject: Mock Caldecott Election for Kids
Date: Sat, 31 May 2003 18:21:46 CDT
Hello!
Our library has had a very successful Mock Caldecott Election for many =
years in which the participants were all adults. Now we'd like to branch =
out to have a Mock Caldecott Election for kids. We would appreciate =
receiving information from any of you who have offered such a program for =
students. Did you work closely with a particular school or classroom? Are
=
there pitfalls to avoid? Was it a successful program? Would you do it =
again? All useful suggestions will be appreciated.=20
Please respond directly to kcaparaso@acpl.lib.in.us.
We will be happy to =
post a compilation of responses to the list.
Mary R. Voors
mvoors@acpl.lib.in.us
Children's Services manager
Allen County Public Library
200 East Berry
Fort Wayne, IN 46802
Check out the Children's Services homepage at: http://www.acpl.lib.in.us/Ch=
ildrens_Services/=20
Check out the Great Web Sites homepage at: http://www.ala.org/greatsites
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From: CKehoe@bettendorf.lib.ia.us
To: pubyac@prairienet.org
Subject: RE: Library tours for elementary kids (fwd)
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I just thought that this is cool....especially for a small group.
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From: Julie Ann Rines [SMTP:jrines@ocln.org]
Sent: Friday, May 23, 2003 6:29 PM
To: pubyac
Subject: Re: Library tours for elementary kids (fwd)
This reminds me of an idea we had for a Between the Lions grant that
didn't get written (the building wasn't going to be finished before
the
grant period). We were going to do a Book's Eye View of the new
library
starting with having the school bus pull up to the loading dock door
like
a UPS truck and leading then through the delivery area and Tech
Servs and
then be "Delivered" to the various departments on the different
floors
Children's, Adult Circulation and Reference and then down again to
Children's for a more in depth tour of that area and to read a story
and
check out books and then out the front door as if they were books
being
taken home.
As you can see this really wouldn't have worked in the middle of
a
construction site!
Julie Rines
jrines@ocln.org
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From: Aclasper@aol.com
To: pubyac@prairienet.org
Subject: re: booktalk furor
Date: Sat, 31 May 2003 18:22:05 CDT
Fellow Pubyaccers -
This debate is moving into silly territory when people are writing in to say
they would be intimidated to post to this listserv. I think that as long as
you post well-thought-out and reasonable messages, you will find that Pubyac
is
an extremely understanding list.
Believe me, everyone (including Dr. Chelton) is so pleasant and patient,
especially compared to other lists. Has anyone ever read or posted to
DorothyL
(mysteries)?
Anne
***********************************************
Anne Clasper
Youth Services Librarian
Lockport Public Library
Lockport, NY, 14094.
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From: "Kim Dolce" <kdolce@co.volusia.fl.us>
To: <pubyac@prairienet.org>,<tina5652@yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: Ellison
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We have an Ellison machine and it's great for cutting out letters & =
figures that are good for name tags, bulletin boards, etc. Depending on =
what/how many dies are purchased, it can be used for many different =
things. I am in a multi branch system and we recently made a list of the =
dies each branch owned so if we wanted to use a design that we didn't own, =
we could see if someone else owned it. It doesn't take up a lot of space =
and is worth it, IMHO. If you haven't looked at their web site, you can do =
so at http://www.ellison.com. If your
computer has flash, you can view a =
demonstration. It sure beats doing it by hand!
Kim E. Dolce
Children's Librarian
Port Orange Regional Library
Port Orange, FL 32129
kdolce@co.volusia.fl.us
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From: Beth Tarr <bethtarr@yahoo.com>
To: pubyac@prairienet.org
Subject: Re: Computer games
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Date: Sat, 31 May 2003 18:22:22 CDT
--- medwards@wepl.lib.oh.us wrote:
> This is in regard to getting out of/quitting
> computer games: Use the alt
> and F4 keys together. This should bring you back to
> the main menu. (Parents love this tip.)
> Bonnie Dundas
> VT
>
Those who haven't tried this before might want to know
that it will only take you back to the main menu if
the main menu is currently open in another window.
Alt-F4 is the keyboard shortcut in Microsoft Windows
to close the current window.
HowStuffWorks.com has some other handy shortcuts at
http://www.howstuffworks.com/question266.htm
--Beth Tarr
Los Angeles Public Library
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From: Smith <lsmith@suffolk.lib.ny.us>
To: pubyac@prairienet.org
Subject: Re: Ellison
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Date: Sat, 31 May 2003 18:22:30 CDT
For detailed info on the Ellison machine, with pictures, call for their
catalog:
1-800-253-2238 www.ellison.com
Essentially, it enables you to "stamp" out designs instead of cutting
them
out by hand. The dies cost $50-60 each, so getting a varied collection
together is a serious investment.
The machine does not take up a great deal of space, but it is very heavy.
Lisa Smith
lsmith@suffolk.lib.ny.us
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From: Allison Angell <aangell@soar.snap.lib.ca.us>
To: pubyac@prairienet.org
Subject: Re: booktalks
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Date: Sat, 31 May 2003 18:22:39 CDT
I hope that L.I.S. students (and everyone else) still feel free to
ask a
question on PUBYAC. Not all questions are equally appropriate, though, and
I
think that's the point of debate. It's entirely appropriate to ask PUBYAC
a
question such as, "In your library, do you have staff in-service days to
teach
all reference staff about new trends in children's services? Would such an
in-service be useful, in your opinion?" That's a question that can't
be
looked up elsewhere, and one is appealing to the collective expertise of
PUBYAC. It's best to avoid questions that can easily be answered
elsewhere,
such as, "Can anyone suggest a picture book about dogs?"
PUBYAC is sent to hundreds of busy people every day; in the
interests of
efficiency, it's important to provide as much information in a question as
possible, and to avoid asking "I'm in a hurry so I thought I'd ask - "
questions. It saves time for one person, but uses the time of hundreds of
other people.
I think this is an useful debate - in any online community, it's
helpful
to
have reminders about list etiquette every so often.
The opinions above are mine, not necessarily those of my Library.
Allison
Allison Angell, Children's Librarian
Benicia (Calif.) Public Library
allison_angell@yahoo.com
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> I'm still not sure where the student seeking booktalk knowledge sinned.
=
> Unless there were requirements set by the professor limiting the =
> resources she used (I don't have the original post), I think her =
> research was sound. She asked experienced experts. She received
=
> several recommendations of print resources to try, and seeing the same =
> titles recommended repeatedly (like Joni Bodart's "Booktalk"
series) =
> gave her good clues about what the true standard print sources are.
She =
> also got some valuable practical tips based on personal experiences, =
> both from experienced booktalkers and from beginners. She still has
to =
> look at the books, synthesize the information, and put it together on =
> her own. And also weed through the PUBYAC responses to figure out
which =
> ones are most valuable. Asking experts can be an extremely valuable =
> part of a research assignment, and list servs, chat rooms, and web sites =
> make it much easier to do than back in the olden days. =20
>
> - Steven Engelfried, Head of Youth Services
> Beaverton City Library
> 12375 SW 5th Street
> Beaverton, OR 97005
> 503-526-2599
> sengelfried@ci.beaverton.or.us=20
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From: "Melissa MacLeod" <mmacleod@sailsinc.org>
To: <pubyac@prairienet.org>
Subject: Harry Potter V midnight reading
Date: Sat, 31 May 2003 18:38:50 CDT
Hi all, I was wondering if any other librarians out there are planning =
on holding a midnight reading of HPV? I am shamelessly trying to compete =
with the bookstores here and am getting a positive response. I am just =
curious if I am alone in my insanity? Thanks, Melissa
mmacleod@sailsinc.org=20
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From: "Linda Fields" <linda@richfieldcity.com>
To: <pubyac@prairienet.org>
Subject: Stumper
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Hello, a patron wants to find a book from his childhood, maybe the 60's or
70's about a fish who grows and gets bigger and bigger and outgrows his bowl
and then the house. He thinks the fish is named Otto. Then the
person who
gave them the fish comes back and makes the fish small and it fits in the
fishbowl again.
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From: "Shari Haber" <shaber@mcls.org>
To: "Difficult library reference questions list"
Subject: ?Stumper @ Putting Doll Away
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Date: Sat, 31 May 2003 18:39:05 CDT
I am hoping that some of you lovely list-servees(?) can help un-stump
me. We've had a request for a poem that was written no later than about
1940. It is about a girl who is turning 13, and has to put her doll
away. The patron believes that the poem begins this way: "Dear
Dolly,
dear Dolly, I'm thirteen today, and I think that it's time to put you
away." Does this sound familiar to anyone? Any help will be
greatly
appreciated. TIA.
Shari Haber
MCLS Reference Center
shaber@mcls.org
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From: "Kathleen Conger" <kathleen.conger@ci.stpaul.mn.us>
To: <pubyac@prairienet.org>
Subject: RE: booktalk query
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Date: Sat, 31 May 2003 18:39:13 CDT
PUBYAC is NOT an e-mail reference service, but rather a forum for
professionals to share ideas.
Even within our member ranks--as with Stumper queries--we expect people
to exhaust the resources at their disposal, inform us of which sources
they've tried, and ask the list members to fill in the holes. The
student's transgression came when she appeared to use PUBYAC as a
jumping-off point instead of going to her school- and/or public library
and looking over the resources. "Book Talks" and "Book Talks
United
States" are Library of Congress subject headings. I turned up 14
different titles in my library system using just those terms. Any and
all of these sources would tell her the basics of "how to do a
booktalk," as she asked in her query. Then she could have turned to the
PUBYAC members for their personal favorite tricks of the trade.
And the membership would be happy to share.
Respectfully,
Kathleen
Kathleen Conger
Youth Services Librarian
Saint Paul Public Library
St. Paul, MN
kathleen.conger@ci.stpaul.mn.us
>>> "Steven Engelfried" <sengelfried@ci.beaverton.or.us>
05/29/03
06:28PM >>>
I'm still not sure where the student seeking booktalk knowledge sinned.
Unless there were requirements set by the professor limiting the
resources she used (I don't have the original post), I think her
research was sound. She asked experienced experts. She received
several recommendations of print resources to try, and seeing the same
titles recommended repeatedly (like Joni Bodart's "Booktalk" series)
gave her good clues about what the true standard print sources are. She
also got some valuable practical tips based on personal experiences,
both from experienced booktalkers and from beginners. She still has to
look at the books, synthesize the information, and put it together on
her own. And also weed through the PUBYAC responses to figure out which
ones are most valuable. Asking experts can be an extremely valuable
part of a research assignment, and list servs, chat rooms, and web sites
make it much easier to do than back in the olden days.
- Steven Engelfried, Head of Youth Services
Beaverton City Library
12375 SW 5th Street
Beaverton, OR 97005
503-526-2599
sengelfried@ci.beaverton.or.us
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From: Rachel Baumgartner <baumgart@noblenet.org>
To: pubyac@prairienet.org
Subject: Stumper hopefully solved
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Date: Sat, 31 May 2003 18:39:20 CDT
This was the stumper-
"This is a children's chapter book popular between 1967 and
1972. A brother
and
sister move to a big old house in a new neighborhood. They are
sad about moving
and know none of the children in the neighborhood. Eventually
they find a hidden attic room which appears to be a clubhouse
and discover that the neighborhood children meet there. This
is how they become friends with the neighborhood children. The
children from the neighborhood enter the attic room
by climbing the big tree outside the window."
The answer was neither Look Through My Window, Jean Little, 1970 nor
Castle in the Attic by Elizabeth Winthrop. Our patron has her hopes on
"Lulu's Window" by Elisabeth Hubbard Lansing. Published by Thomas
Crowell Co., NY 1954. We have requested it through ILL and hope it solves
the question. Thanks to those who sent suggestions.
Rachel Baumgartner
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From: Mary Ann Gilpatrick <MGilpatrick@ci.walla-walla.wa.us>
To: "'pubyac@prairienet.org'"
<pubyac@prairienet.org>
Subject: RE: Rude Booktalk response
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Date: Sat, 31 May 2003 18:39:29 CDT
Ann, I know you mean well, but Mary K Chelton is one of the most respected
members of our profession. She is the very best of apples. She is known for
saying uncomfortable things others do not always want to hear, such as
accepting perks from vendors at ALA conferences and other issues of moral
compromise. The issue here is really one of how and when you ask for help.
Mary Ann Gilpatrick
Walla Walla Public Library
mgilpatrick@ci.walla-walla.wa.us
Dear Generous Librarians:
As an MLIS graduate student I must respond. I have had professors direct
the class to join a Listserv and have even had a 1500 word paper assigned
based solely on Listserv discussions. So please don't "blame"
students for
using the "professional" listservs. We are being directed
to them.
I have asked Pubyac for help once in addition to lots of research I had
already done. As I stated in my request, I felt no research in library
science would be complete without the wisdom of PUBYAC. When one is
writing
a 1500 word paper, the answers received from listservs are a drop in the
bucket of information gathering. No listserv is doing our work for us.
Did
you really finish library school that long ago that you have forgotten the
mountains of work involved?
My experience with this listserv has been fabulous. When I check my mail
every day and witness the way you support each other, and we students, I
know I have chosen the right profession. A few bad apples, no matter how
talented in the field, will never turn me off PUBYAC. Perhaps the booktalk
student's request was too brief but rudeness is never justified. I don't
think you help others out just "to make yourselves look good" as
suggested.
I think the public servant in you just has to come out and that is why you
are a librarian.
I respect and admire you and your profession and I will not be bullied out
of asking for your advice again if I need it.
Respectfully,
Ann Chapman
Graduate Student
Library and Information Science
Wayne State University
Detroit, MI
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From: JoyMoor@aol.com
To: pubyac@prairienet.org
Subject: Re: booktalk query
Date: Sat, 31 May 2003 18:39:37 CDT
Hi,
As a frequent lurker and a two time or so submitter, I think PUBYAC is
invaluable for the learning librarian because the experience of the
"collective
brain" is not something one can really access through books. One of
my
class
assignments was to choose an eserv list, observe it over a month or two and
also
respond and interact at least once. I would not be at all surprised if a
number of your lurkers are fellow MLS students doing a similar assignment.
If it is any comfort to those irked by the questions by novices - one of the
side benefits of lurking on PUBYAC for me as an MLS student and working
"substitute librarian" in my town library - is how it really
underlined my
desire to
be a children's public librarian just by observing how you pros do it, and
the generous tone of sharing information I found here.
(My two cents!)
-Susan Moorhead
Huguenot Children's Library
New Rochelle, NY
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From: "Kim Dolce" <kdolce@co.volusia.fl.us>
To: <pubyac@prairienet.org>
Subject: Seaside stories?
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Date: Sat, 31 May 2003 18:39:44 CDT
Hi all;
We are doing an outreach program soon with a theme of "by the shore"
(as =
opposed to under the sea, etc.). We have a few things, but need more to =
round out a 45 minute program for a large group. The focus, at least in =
part, should be on seashore/ life, like turtles, frogs, etc. If anyone has =
a poem that would work well as a flannel board, or any other good ideas =
for songs or stories, please let me know. I'll post replies to the list if =
there is interest. The ages will be aprox 5-10 with most of them being in =
the 6-8 age range.
So far we are considering:
Turtle Day - Douglas Florian
Turtle Splash! - Catherine Falwell
Who sees the lighthouse? - Ann Fearington
Out of the Ocean - Debra Frasier
Thanks in advance,
Kim
Kim E. Dolce
Children's Librarian
Port Orange Regional Library
Port Orange, FL 32129
kdolce@co.volusia.fl.us
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From: "Melissa Rice" <mrice@webrary.org>
To: Pubyac <PUBYAC@prairienet.org>
Subject: Reading Assistance Programs
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Date: Sat, 31 May 2003 18:39:52 CDT
Thanks to everyone for their great advice on reading assistance programs
involving the use of dogs!
Melissa
Melissa Rice
mrice@webrary.org
Reference/Reader's Services Librarian
Morton Grove Public Library
6140 Lincoln Ave., Morton Grove, IL 60053
www.webrary.org
"For more information on Grand Funk, consult your school library!"
-- Homer Simpson, "Homerpalooza"
Opinions expressed are those of the author and do not necessarily reflect
official Library policy.
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From: "Cathy Chesher" <cchesher@monroe.lib.mi.us>
To: <pubyac@prairienet.org>
Subject: audiobooks - summer reading program
Date: Sat, 31 May 2003 18:40:00 CDT
Hello!
Hope everyone is ready for summer! I've been trying to
decide how I =
want to handle audiobooks this year for our Teen Read program. We count =
# of pages read and our readers fill out an entry form for every 150 =
pages.=20
In the past when someone has listened to an audiobook, we just found the =
print equivalent to find the number of pages and let them fill out the =
appropriate number of entry forms. =20
I've been thinking of changing this and have thought of other variations =
on the theme, but wondered what some of you did about audiobooks.
Your replies are greatly appreciated during this busy time of the year.
Cathy Chesher
Children's Librarian
Adrian Public Library
143 E. Maumee St.
Adrian, Michigan 49221
(517)265-2265
cchesher@monroe.lib.mi.us
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From: Debra Allen <kidsbooks2002@yahoo.com>
To: pubyac@prairienet.org
Subject: Viburnum Grant news?
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Date: Sat, 31 May 2003 18:40:08 CDT
Has anyone heard if the Viburnum Literacy Grants have
been awarded for the 2003-2004 period? (This question
goes out mainly to librarians in the SE US.)
Thanks,
Debbie Allen
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Debbie Allen
Children's Librarian
Starkville Public Library
Starkville, Mississippi
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From: Nicole Conradt <nconradt@cooney.lib.wi.us>
To: pubyac@prairienet.org
Subject: Dragon Ball series
Date: Sat, 31 May 2003 18:40:16 CDT
Hi -
Can anyone tell me more about the Dragon Ball series? A patron has
asked about them and she said "her whole class" was reading them.
That
might be a far stretch but are they worth buying? I looked on BWI and
found no reviews attached to their records. If they are garbage- I
would rather spend my money elsewhere but if they are popular- of course
I should buy them. Thanks!!
Nicole Conradt
Oconomowoc Public Library
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From: "Henegar, Sharon" <SLHenegar@ocpl.org>
To: "'PUBYAC@prairienet.org'"
<PUBYAC@prairienet.org>
Subject: stumper:bald people underground
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Date: Sat, 31 May 2003 18:40:24 CDT
Hey gang--none of my children's librarians know the answer to this stumper,
so we are turning it over to the greater brain. Here's what I got:
A patron here is looking for a book she read in junior high (late
70s) about a civilization who lives underground (and they are all bald!) A
boy finds a tunnel to the world above and meets a girl.
It hasn't rung any bells with me, so I'm
turning to you guys! Any
ideas?
Thanks for your help!
Sharon Henegar
Orange County (CA) Public Library
slhenegar@ocpl.org
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From: Susan Dunn <sdunn@jefferson.lib.co.us>
To: "PUBYAC (E-mail)" <pubyac@prairienet.org>
Subject: stumper - giant clam and snorkeling
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Date: Sat, 31 May 2003 18:40:32 CDT
This is from a former coworker who doesn't have access to our wonderful
listserv (and I'm not just saying that b/c Shannon is my supervisor!).
Read to a 4th grade class in 1976.
Two brothers often snorkel in a bay which is populated by giant clams. One's
arm gets caught in a clam and he's in danger of drowning, so the boys have
to amputate.
Carol Reich, Youth Services Manager
Hillsboro Public Library, OR
carolr@ci.hillsboro.or.us
So many books, so little time.
Please respond to Carol with your answers. Thanks!
Susan Dunn
Children's Reference Librarian
Columbine Library, Jefferson County Public Library
7760 W. Bowles Ave.
Littleton, CO 80123
phone: 303-932-2690 x3
fax: 303-932-3041
sdunn@jefferson.lib.co.us
Find us on the Web: http://www.jefferson.lib.co.us
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