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From: "PUBYAC: PUBlic librarians serving Young Adults and Children" <pubyac@prairienet.org>
To: "PUBYAC: PUBlic librarians serving Young Adults and Children" <pubyac@prairienet.org>
Sent: Monday, June 23, 2003 11:01 PM
Subject: PUBYAC digest 1143


    PUBYAC Digest 1143

Topics covered in this issue include:

  1) Re: New Harry Potter shipment
by Gray Sawyer <sawyer@noblenet.org>
  2) Re: Harry Potter Party Ideas/trivia questions/crafts/games
by winniepooh129@juno.com
  3) Re: Weird rumor about libraries?
by BOGART Debra <dbogart@ci.springfield.or.us>
  4) RE: Shelving Harry Potter
by "Lawrence Johnson" <johnson@snap.lib.ca.us>
  5) Re: Weird rumor about libraries?
by Jennifer Baker <jbaker93711@yahoo.com>
  6) Re: New Harry Potter shipment
by "Carol and Gary Levin" <cglevin@access4less.net>
  7) Pubyac quiz--5th round for M-Q
by Jennifer Baker <jbaker93711@yahoo.com>
  8) Mystery party and mystery program kits
by Janet Dickey <doubledog@core.com>
  9) Re: high school reading list
by Sushila Mertens <kidlit_2000@yahoo.com>
 10) Re: Harry Potter Party Ideas/trivia questions/crafts/games
by "Kaye Bowes" <kbear97@hotmail.com>
 11) Re: Weird rumor about libraries?
by Sushila Mertens <kidlit_2000@yahoo.com>
 12) Stumper: Rabbit saved mouse
by "Sonja Ackerman" <snacker@mcpl.lib.wi.us>
 13) Stumper--Old Man Carving a Model of a Concentration Camp
by "Wagner, Jenifer" <jwnv7@CO.DAKOTA.MN.US>
 14) Re: murder mysteries
by ploew@crrl.org
 15) Re: high school reading list
by Margaret Siebert <psiebert12508@yahoo.com>
 16) Re: Weird rumor about libraries?
by "Chris Gibrich" <library_groupie@hotmail.com>
 17) "Click" Stumper Solved!
by "Regina M. Fabbro" <rfabbro@tln.lib.mi.us>
 18) re: library colors
by "Golly Odendaal" <legaleagle@cybertrade.co.za>
 19) Re: Weird rumor about libraries?
by Catherine Sarette <caes@openaccess.org>

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From: Gray Sawyer <sawyer@noblenet.org>
To: "Oliver, Jim" <jimo@siouxland.lib.sd.us>
Subject: Re: New Harry Potter shipment
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Date: Mon, 23 Jun 2003 10:20:29 CDT


We ordered 60 and received all of them in time to process by Sat. when we
opened.



--
Gray Sawyer, Library Assistant
Lucius Beebe Memorial Library, Wakefield Massachusetts
sawyer@noblenet.org
North of Boston Library Exchange

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From: winniepooh129@juno.com
To: pubyac@prairienet.org
Subject: Re: Harry Potter Party Ideas/trivia questions/crafts/games
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Date: Mon, 23 Jun 2003 10:20:39 CDT


You could contact Scholastic.  They have send me different kinds of
activty sheets, such as mazes, word searches, crossword puzzle and
trivia.   They also send me posters, buttons and stickers.

You could try www.kidsdomain.com  They have arts and crafts and
activities (such as the Mirror, etc.)  I had the children made magic wand
and sort them into the four houses.  They loved the program.


Janet Ng
Children's Librarian
Queen Borough Public Library
Central Library
Youth Services Division

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From: BOGART Debra <dbogart@ci.springfield.or.us>
To: linette@missoula.lib.mt.us, Pubyac@prairienet.org
Subject: Re: Weird rumor about libraries?
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Date: Mon, 23 Jun 2003 10:20:47 CDT

I heard last week that Dr. Laura was again lambasting libraries as dens of
inequity (or something like it) on her radio show. That may be where this
rumor started...It's that pesky Internet again :).

Debra Bogart
541-726-2243
dbogart@ci.springfield.or.us
Youth Services
Springfield Public Library
225 Fifth Street
Springfield, OR 97477

"Never doubt that a small group of thoughtful committed people can change
the
world. Indeed, it's the only thing that ever has."Margaret Mead

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From: "Lawrence Johnson" <johnson@snap.lib.ca.us>
To: "'Creel, Stacy - HPL'" <Stacy.Creel@cityofhouston.net>,
   <pubyac@prairienet.org>
Subject: RE: Shelving Harry Potter
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Date: Mon, 23 Jun 2003 10:21:01 CDT

We are shelving in the juvenile and YA collections.

Lawrence Johnson, Jr.
Young Adult Librarian
Solano County Library
John F. Kennedy Library
505 Santa Clara Street
Vallejo, CA 94590
Telephone: 707-553-5354
Fax: 707-553-5567
E-mail: johnson@snap.lib.ca.us

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From: Jennifer Baker <jbaker93711@yahoo.com>
To: pubyac@prairienet.org
Subject: Re: Weird rumor about libraries?
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Date: Mon, 23 Jun 2003 10:21:09 CDT

i didn't start it but i'd be happy to help spread it!
~j.
--- Linette Ivanovitch <linette@missoula.lib.mt.us>
wrote:
> OK--I think I just got my second most bizarre
> question.  A grandma called me
> just
> now and asked if there was anything to the rumor her
> son and daughter-in-law
> had
> told to her grandson.  The rumor is that there is a
> national alert that kids
> under
> sixteen should not be allowed to go to libraries
> unsupervised.  I checked
> several
> urban legend databases, google, and the usual news
> sources and did not see
> anything.
>
> Anyone heard this one before? I am posting to
> several lists, so I apologize
> in
> advance for duplicate copies of this message.
>
> Linette Ivanovitch
> YA Librarian
> Missoula Public Library
> Missoula, MT
>


=====
~jenniferbaker
fresno co. public library

"If an item does not appear in our records, it does not exist."
~ Jocasta Nu (librarian from "Star Wars: Episode II Attack of the Clones")

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From: "Carol and Gary Levin" <cglevin@access4less.net>
To: <pubyac@prairienet.org>
Subject: Re: New Harry Potter shipment
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Date: Mon, 23 Jun 2003 10:21:24 CDT

B&T sent us all 100 copies that we ordered (actually it was an error, we'd
meant to order 50 liby binding and cancel our automatic order of 50 regular
but we got both and since they are already processed with our library stamp,
we have to keep them).  We probably would have ended up ordering 80-90 based
on holds numbers (we order 1 book for every 4 holds) so the error isn't as
bad as it might have been.
Carol
Enjoy Life! This is not a Dress Rehearsal!
----- Original Message -----
From: "Oliver, Jim" <jimo@siouxland.lib.sd.us>
To: <pubyac@prairienet.org>
Sent: Thursday, June 19, 2003 4:52 PM
Subject: New Harry Potter shipment


I ordered 75 copies of Harry Potter and the Order of the Phoenix for my
library from Ingram Book Company on January 24, 2003. Yesterday I received
24
copies with the rest backordered indefinitely. I'm curious to know whether
other public libraries succeeded in getting all of the copies they ordered.


So, here's an informal survey. I'm wondering whether my situation is an
exception, or whether library orders in general have taken a back seat to
book
store and retail outlet orders. (I know our local Barnes and Noble received
 their entire initial order of 1300 copies). Please send your response
direcly to me. I will compile and report back to the group.

How many copies of the new Harry Potter did you order?

When did you order?

Who did you order from?

Have you received all the copies you ordered?

If not, how many copies did you receive?

Thanks.

Jim Oliver
Children's Librarian
Siouxland Libraries
201 N. Main Ave
Sioux Falls, SD 57104
605.367.8719
joliver@siouxfalls.org

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From: Jennifer Baker <jbaker93711@yahoo.com>
To: pubyac@prairienet.org
Subject: Pubyac quiz--5th round for M-Q
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Date: Mon, 23 Jun 2003 10:21:34 CDT


IF YOUR LAST NAME STARTS WITH M, N, O, P or Q please
respond now. i will send out requests for the rest
of you over the next few weeks.
  
please copy the questions into a new message and
send answers to jennifer.baker@fresnolibrary.org.

you may notice that i've refined a few of the
questions based on previous responses.
  
thanks guys! it may take me a while to compile
results but i promise to post.
  
Pubyac Survey:
 
1. Do you work in a public library, school library
or something else (please designate)?
 
2. Which of the following age groups do you fall
into?
under 30
30-40
41-50
51+
 
3. If you work in a public library, how many branches
does your system have?
only one
2-5
6-10
11-20
21+
 
4. What's the size of your service population?
less than 20,000
20-50,000
50-100,000
100-500,000
500,000+
 
5. Are you or do you consider yourself a children's
librarian, young adult librarian, youth librarian,
support staff or some other specialty (please
designate)?
 
6. Are you a man or woman?
 
7. How long have you been in your current field of
work?
less than 5 years
6-10 years
11-20 years
21+ years
 
8. How do you use pubyac?
I'm a lurker--just looking for ideas
I occasionally respond directly to stumpers or other
requests
I will jump in on something that I think is really
important
You can't shut me up--I live for a good debate
    
9. What part of the country is your library in (i
realize i've probably left out some areas so if you
don't see what you would normally use pick the
closest)?
New England/Mid-Atlantic/Northeast
SouthEast
Deep South
SouthWest
MidWest
Pacific/Northwest
Outside of the US (please designate)
 
10. Are you the only person in your library (system)
that uses pubyac?
 
11. How long have you been using pubyac?
 
12. What is the name of your library?

 


=====
~jenniferbaker
fresno co. public library

"If an item does not appear in our records, it does not exist."
~ Jocasta Nu (librarian from "Star Wars: Episode II Attack of the Clones")

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From: Janet Dickey <doubledog@core.com>
To: pubyac@prairienet.org
Subject: Mystery party and mystery program kits
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Date: Mon, 23 Jun 2003 10:21:44 CDT

Hi, all!
Some comments on the mystery programs available - There are kits available
labeled as mystery party kits. These have the players prepare in advance and
usually are limited to 8-10 players/suspects. To play with more, you might
have a team of players represent each character?

The mystery program kits, such as the Anyone's Guess kits (Highsmith/
Upstart) were designed for use with larger groups. They require advance work
from the program-giver, but the players are the investigators, not the
suspects, and can just show up and play. However, ten of the
players/investigators could read the two brief parts representing the
suspects. This has been done with volunteers from among the players "acting"
or reading these brief parts, or the suspect parts can be read/acted by
helpers, such as teen advisory groups. In either case we encourage them to
volunteer, but those who do not care to read publicly do not have to do so.
We also scare up a few props - it's amazing to see a young teen girl put on
a  baseball cap and transform into an older "slacker dude"!

There are other types, too, including companies who will create individual
characters for as many players as you will have attending. You can find them
through http://www.cluelass.com/index2.lasso. (Caution here: the ones I've
explored had some offensively stereotypical characters, and were rather
pricey.)

I hope these comments are helpful in choosing a mystery kit that will work
best for you.

Janet Dickey
Creator, Anyone's Guess and Anyone's Guess Jr. Mystery Kits
http://dbldog.com
<doubledog@core.com>

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From: Sushila Mertens <kidlit_2000@yahoo.com>
To: pubyac@prairienet.org
Subject: Re: high school reading list
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Date: Mon, 23 Jun 2003 10:21:52 CDT

It sounds like a nightmare. I would seek cooperation
from the schools and/or write a grant to buy more
books. I would increase the limit to 3 books/per
checkout. They can always come back for more. Good
Luck.


--- Frances Easterling <machild@cmrls.lib.ms.us>
wrote:
> I hope you can understand this.
> We have 3 schools that have access to our branch of
> our library
> system(which comprises of 21).  We get a copy of
> each grades reading
> list before school let's out for the summer that
> they have to have read
> before school starts in the fall.  Before we
> automated we would only let
> the student check out one book at a time instead of
> letting the student
> take out all the books that was on his/her list. 
> We made this decision
> so that every student would have a greater chance to
> check out a book
> that was on their list.  Even after we automated we
> still kept that
> rule.  But recently we were called down on this.
> My question is: Does anyone limit the number of
> books that a student can
> check out if it is part of their reading list?
> Should we let the
> students check out everything on their list?
> Yes, we are in the process of buying more books but
> that does take
> money.  We have one school that has the same book
> for 9th and 12th
> grades(The 7 Habits of Highly Effective Teens).
> Yes, we do make request from other libraries in our
> system for these
> books but we try to limit the request to one at a
> time.
> Sorry this is so long,
> Frances Easterling
> Magee Public Library
>


=====
Sushila Mertens kidlit_2000@yahoo.com

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From: "Kaye Bowes" <kbear97@hotmail.com>
To: pubyac@prairienet.org
Subject: Re: Harry Potter Party Ideas/trivia questions/crafts/games
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Date: Mon, 23 Jun 2003 10:22:01 CDT

We just had a very exciting Harry Potter Celebration with over 100 kids in
attendance.  We sang the Hogwarts School Song then had a Harry Potter
MadLibs.  We then separated into 5 houses   --  Griffin, Unicorn, Dragon,
Owl, and the Great Hall and had crafts at each house.
1.  Make your own owl with paper lunch bags, foamies, and feathers
2.  The Mirror of Erisded with CD's, glitter glue, Sharpies and large craft
sticks
3.  Edible Wand --  pretzel rod, canned frosting, and sprinkles
4.  A puzzle that was cut into 9 pieces to be put back together
5.  Dragon puppet  --  card stock copy of dragon head and tail with
accordion-folded construction paper in between with two craft stocks at
front and end.

The kids had a great time and the adults even liked it.

Good luck!

Kay Bowes
Brandywine Hundred Library
Wilmington, Delaware


>From: "Johanna Rapp" <johannarapp40@hotmail.com>
>Reply-To: pubyac@prairienet.org
>To: pubyac@prairienet.org
>Subject: Harry Potter Party Ideas/trivia questions/crafts/games
>Date: Fri, 20 Jun 2003 11:42:59 CDT
>
>I just subscribed to Pubyac and was wondering if anyone had saved the
>emails
>with information about Harry Potter trivia questions, games and craft
>ideas.
>  If anyone could forward these old emails to me I would greatly appreciate
>it as I have some Harry Potter events planned for this summer. I have heard
>about all the wonderful Harry Potter ideas that have been shared on pubyac
>and would be very excited to hear about both old and new ideas. Thanks
>everyone! Take Care,
>"Miss Jo" Johanna Rapp, Head of Children's/Young Adult Services, West
>Bridgewater Public Library
>
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From: Sushila Mertens <kidlit_2000@yahoo.com>
To: pubyac@prairienet.org
Subject: Re: Weird rumor about libraries?
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Date: Mon, 23 Jun 2003 10:22:10 CDT

I wonder if some grumpy library employee made that one
up.


--- Linette Ivanovitch <linette@missoula.lib.mt.us>
wrote:
> OK--I think I just got my second most bizarre
> question.  A grandma called me
> just
> now and asked if there was anything to the rumor her
> son and daughter-in-law
> had
> told to her grandson.  The rumor is that there is a
> national alert that kids
> under
> sixteen should not be allowed to go to libraries
> unsupervised.  I checked
> several
> urban legend databases, google, and the usual news
> sources and did not see
> anything.
>
> Anyone heard this one before? I am posting to
> several lists, so I apologize
> in
> advance for duplicate copies of this message.
>
> Linette Ivanovitch
> YA Librarian
> Missoula Public Library
> Missoula, MT
>


=====
Sushila Mertens kidlit_2000@yahoo.com

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From: "Sonja Ackerman" <snacker@mcpl.lib.wi.us>
To: "PUBYAC: PUBlic librarians serving Young Adults and Children"
Subject: Stumper: Rabbit saved mouse
Date: Mon, 23 Jun 2003 10:22:22 CDT


A patron is looking for an older book about a rabbit who saved a mouse. =
The book was read to young children 15 years ago in a classroom.  The =
rabbit doesn't have a family.  The rabbit asked all the animals in the =
forest if he could become a member of their family, but they all =
refused.  For example, he asked the ducks, but they said no because he =
was not a swimmer.  Finally he found a mouse who had a need for him and =
he joined the mouse's family.  During the winter the rabbit lay on top =
of the mouse to protect him from the cold weather.  When spring came, =
the mouse found the carcass of the rabbit on top of him.  The patron =
thought the book was titled something like:  The Barrington Rabbit

We have tried many online catalogs, a variety of search engines to no =
avail.=20

Many thanks,

Please respond to
Sonja Ackerman
snacker@mcpl.lib.wi.us

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From: "Wagner, Jenifer" <jwnv7@CO.DAKOTA.MN.US>
To: <pubyac@prairienet.org>
Subject: Stumper--Old Man Carving a Model of a Concentration Camp
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A woman remembers reading a children's novel ten or fifteen years ago in =
which an old man was carving a model of a concentration camp (WWII type) =
and a young person who is visiting drops an axe on it.  She did not =
recall what happened after the axe fell and she didn't know if some sort =
of time travel/alteration of history occurred when the axe fell.  If =
anyone recognizes this, please reply off list.

Jenifer Wagner
Children's Librarian
Dakota County Heritage Library
20085 Heritage Drive
Lakeville, MN 55124
(651) 365-3219
jenifer.wagner@co.dakota.mn.us=20

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From: ploew@crrl.org
To: pubyac@prairienet.org
Subject: Re: murder mysteries
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Date: Mon, 23 Jun 2003 10:22:41 CDT

I'm going to be doing a mystery in the library program  in October.  I'm
interested in these kits. Can you please tell me where you ordered them from
online?


"Clark, Julie" wrote:

> I work in a small branch in Maryland. I have done 3 murder mysteries so
far
> and they are a real hit. One of my coworkers purchased 8 kits to work
from.
> I highly suggest doing this. I keep it open for 11-15year olds.
> We have two different kinds of mystery kits that were ordered online. One
> set is where you set up a crime scene and they have to examine the clues
to
> determine the murderer.
> The other is where it is somewhat scripted and they sit in a circle and
act
> out the parts. They like this one MUCH better. They like to act it out,
> dress  up  a bit and talk to each other.
> Good luck!
> Julie Clark
> Middletown Branch Public Library
> Middletown, Maryland

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From: Margaret Siebert <psiebert12508@yahoo.com>
To: pubyac@prairienet.org
Subject: Re: high school reading list
Date: Mon, 23 Jun 2003 10:22:50 CDT


I don't know about limiting how many they may take at one time, since I
don't work the desk, but I do know they are not renewable.
I must confess it took me a while to read past the opening sentences of your
message. You actually receive copies of the list BEFORE school lets out for
the summer. You lucky devils. You must tell the rest of us how you do it. We
have to tackle students and copy their lists, if they bring them. They all
assume the school would have notified us before sending them here for the
books. Silly students.
Peg Siebert
Blodgett Library
Fishkill, NY

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From: "Chris Gibrich" <library_groupie@hotmail.com>
To: pubyac@prairienet.org
Subject: Re: Weird rumor about libraries?
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Date: Mon, 23 Jun 2003 10:23:01 CDT

It could also be that they were watching one of the ultra-religious
channels...  I've caught a couple of "warning" segments on so-called "news"
and "alert" bulletins about libraries not having filters on the computers,
and being favorite grounds for child molesters.  That and libraries don't
watch what children check-out, so a 5 year old could check out R rated
movies....  Family Friendly Libraries has a big push for supervised library
visits so that the children are safe....

:}  christie

Christie Gibrich
Teen/ Young Adult Services Librarian
Roanoke Public Library
308 S. Walnut
Roanoke, Texas 76262

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From: "Regina M. Fabbro" <rfabbro@tln.lib.mi.us>
To: pubyac@prairienet.org
Subject: "Click" Stumper Solved!
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Date: Mon, 23 Jun 2003 10:23:16 CDT

Wow!  You all know your series books.  *Many* thanks to the numerous
people who solved my stumper about a mystery duo, one of whom taps her
heels and says, "Click!"  The answer: Cam Jansen.  If there were runners'
up for stumpers, the Something Queer series by Elizabeth Levy would be
winner -- a neat series, which I offered as another option to my patron's
mom for summer reading.

Thanks yet again for your collective help!

Regina Fabbro
Youth Services
Brighton District Library
Brighton, MI
rfabbro@tln.org

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From: "Golly Odendaal" <legaleagle@cybertrade.co.za>
To: <pubyac@prairienet.org>
Subject: re: library colors
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Date: Mon, 23 Jun 2003 10:23:25 CDT


We have just moved into our new library, a modern COLOURFUL place.  I love
bright colours and did a study on what different colours means.  Most of our
walls are a broken white, with a slight green tinge to it.  But the entrance
and around the windows are deep grape, the doors are green (it all tones in)
and the windows and burglar guards are red.  The main wall in the children's
section is the same red and the floor has different coloured shapes laid out
in the tiles, of a slightly duller hue than the rest.

It sounds very bright and over powering, but you'd be suprised how well
everything tones in together and how much the partons love it.  The staff
has also been much more positive, but that might be because of the space we
now have.

Golly Odendaal
Scottburgh Library
KZN


> We just opened a new library last week.  A local designer donated her =
> time to choose the colors for the library.  If you have a local office =
> or patron, you might ask him or her to suggest some colors for you. =20
> Everyone that comes in happy and compliments us on the library colors ( =
> a very light teal that started out looking blue, but that now looks pale =
> green with all the materials).
>
> Mary Thornton
> mthornto@timberland.lib.wa.us
>

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From: Catherine Sarette <caes@openaccess.org>
To: <pubyac@prairienet.org>
Subject: Re: Weird rumor about libraries?
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Date: Mon, 23 Jun 2003 10:23:35 CDT

Don't let your under-16 year old into the library?  That's not a rumor,
it's a movement.  It's about Internet access of course. Talk show hosts
have been haranguing their audiences about this for a long time.  I think
it was Dr. Laura who first began telling parents not to allow their young
children into the library, not even for story time.  Libraries are evil
places, she said in her simplistic way, because pornography can be
accessed there. (Evidently she's never been to a library and looked around
to see the innocent uses of the Internet there.)

Catherine

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