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From owner-pubyac@nysernet.org Wed Jun 17 18:43:50 1998
From: Janet M Diem <janmdiem@epix.net>
Subject: Biographies
Friends,
As an elementary librarian, I too had the same problem. About 7 years
ago, the rest of the district staff wanted to change our biographies
from 92 to the proper Deweys. I resisted, but was convinced by the
others that this was the way of the future. Since my shelf list was to
be sent for conversion in about 2 months, I had to make the change as
quickly as possible. The only way that I consented to do it was if each
book was marked on the spine with a sticker. I wanted one that would be
very obvious, and found it in the Gaylord catalog. It is red, white,
and blue with biography at an angle. This sticker can be seen from quite
a distance. If you have your biographies interfiled, I would recommend
this particular sticker. A child can spot one from anywhere in the
room!
Well the future has arrived, but I have yet to see any other library
that has separated it's biography collection. Our public library
apparently has no inclination to do it either. Our biog. circulation has
not dropped nor dramatically increased. Those who like to read
biographies are able to spot them easily and those who want books on the
Civil War see the people from this time and read them as well.
Consistancy is the key.
Janet M. Diem
Adamstown Elem. Sch. Librarian
Adamstown, PA
janmdiem@epix.net
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From owner-pubyac@nysernet.org Wed Jun 17 18:43:53 1998
From: andrew or anne <paradis@jorsm.com>
ubject: Re: elephant craft
At 04:37 PM 6/16/98 -0400, you wrote:
>Can anyone help with an easy elephant craft for a Pajama Time storyhour?
>We have thought of a fingerpuppet but can't find a good pattern. 10
>elephants balancing on a string was suggested but since the die cut
>machine we have access to doesn't have an elephant it would be cruel to
>ask anyone to cut upwards of 300 elephants. The ages range from 2-5 with
>parents in attendence. Thanks for any suggestions
>Julie Rines
>Thomas Crane PL
>Quincy, MA 02169
>jrines@ocln.org
>
>I would suggest drawing an elephant face, and leaving a hole for the
trunk. The index finger goes through, and you have a (very) simple puppet.
Photocopy and/or trace a face if you are truly artisically challenged! If
the kids are up to it, they could trace the shape, otherwise photocopy, let
them color, and cut- quite enough craft for that age.
Good luck.
Anne
>
>
"'You have no business wearing white to the Middle Ages,'
he'd said, `It will only get dirty.'"
Connie Willis
*Doomsday Book*
Andy or Anne -- Andrew Paradise, Information/Reference Librarian, Medical
Librarian, and Children's Librarian by marriage: Anne Paradise, Children's
Librarian, mystery reader!
Gary Public Library andrew@gary.lib.in.us work
220 West 5th St. paradis@jorsm.com home
Gary, IN 46402 anne@gary.lib.in.us Anne
http://www.jorsm.com/~paradis/
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From owner-pubyac@nysernet.org Wed Jun 17 18:43:51 1998
From: Carole D Fiore <cfiore@earthlink.net>
Subject: Re: Summer Reading Purpose
I've been following the discussions about summer library reading programs and
find many of the comments and observations interesting -- especially those
related to why we do summer programs.
There are numerous reasons to provide summer library reading programs -- and
all such related services. What you provide depends on your community and the
roles/service responses that your library has selected that enhance your
community vision. Are we trying to provide a social experience for the
participants and their parents? Are we trying to help students maintain their
reading skills over the summer? Are we helping kids develop their vocabulary?
Or are we trying to please our administrators and our funding agencies by
having programs with large numbers of people attending? All are valid reasons
and appropriate actions -- depending on what roles/service responses your
library has selected.
If all of our summer library activities center on reading, we may only attract
those children who are already readers to our programs. We need to provide
other activities and reward attendance and library use as well as counting the
number of books that participants read.
If we are serious about developing a new generation of readers, we need to
provide a variety of program offerings, including reading buddies and family
programs.
For those who are interested in history of summer library programs (there have
been some questions recently about that on this list), why we do summer
programs, and the many forms that summer library reading programs can take,
look at my new book, _Running Summer Library Reading Programs: A How-To-Do-It
Manual_, published this spring by Neal-Schuman.
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From owner-pubyac@nysernet.org Wed Jun 17 18:43:53 1998
From: David Conner <terrapin@halifax.com>
Subject: Tall Tale Craft
First of all thanks to everyone who sent ideas and tips on raising money
and donations for out Summer Reading Program.
Donations have been few in number, but larger than we had anticipated
and we now have a comfortable working margin for this year's program.
And now a question.
Our SRP theme this summer is Go Wild and I have crafts planned for most
of each week's mini-theme, but am having a problem for the Tall Tale
Week.
Any craft ideas for ages three to five, then six to eight and nine to
12.
And finally for the first time this year, we have so far, six teenagers
signed up for SRP.
I am planning on free-forming their program, but because we have no
tradition of teen support, I have nothing to fall back on.
Any ideas on how to keep them interested would be appreciated. So far I
have five girls and one boy.
Enough for now.
TIA
Elizabeth C. Conner
Children's Coordinator
Halifax County-South Boston Regional Library
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From owner-pubyac@nysernet.org Wed Jun 17 18:43:53 1998
From: "Pat Lambirth" <lambip@capecod.net>
Subject: Re: elephant craft
When you say elephants, the first thought that comes to my mind is trunk,
followed closely by large floppy ears. Why not make headbands with trunks
attached and ears if you feel the kids could handle it (I bet they can)!
Pat Lambirth
Children's Librarian
Sturgis Library
Barnstable, MA
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From owner-pubyac@nysernet.org Wed Jun 17 18:43:49 1998
From: "Kelli Cape" <kellicape@hotmail.com>
Subject: Re: pubyac V1 #343
>
>
>On Thu, 11 Jun 1998, Mary St Cavish wrote:
>
>> I am considering offering a book discussion group for 9-12 year olds
>> inthe fall. Currently there is no program forthat age as they are too
>> "cool" for storytime and too young for teen programs...
>
>
Mary,
I had a book discussion group in the fall and in the spring. Each one
was 5 weeks. We met, distributed books, then discussed 4 books. The
first time I tried meeting every other week; then we met weekly. The
latter worked better. They didn't forget to come!
The book whose activity they enjoyed the most was "The Westing Game."
We each made our own Westing Game on a piece of paper. The idea was to
use incidents from the book for the game board. I provided paper,
markers, a dice per person, and playing pieces. It was a lot of fun!
Kelli Phelan
kellicape@hotmail.com
______________________________________________________
Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com
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From owner-pubyac@nysernet.org Wed Jun 17 18:43:50 1998
From: "Elizabeth S. Gallaway" <egallawa@concentric.net>
Subject: Re: Formal training for Children's librarians
to Mindy & Chuck & others:
I just completed my MLIS at Simmons College in Boston MA. I was
required to take courses in Reference, Cataloging and Management.
Simmons offers 6 or 7 different courses in children's services, some 2
credit, some 4, and one in YA services.
I worked as a volunteer for a year and half in a children's room
before I decided that I wanted to be a childrens librarian. Then I got
a part time job in a childrens room while I got my MLIS. As a result, I
gained a good mix of experience and formal education. I felt I had a
real advantage over those who had no library experience (50% of my
class!) and was able to put issues in perspective and ask appropriate
questions.
Most of the things I learned in my children's & YA classes that were
then benficial on the job were the introductions to classic books,
awards, and collection development tools, and exposure to ALA's Bill of
Rights and Intellectual Freedom issues. These are probably things I
would have oicked up on the job, eventually. On the other hand, having
to sit through classes in programming was tedious, since I already had
experience in that area.
The degree lends professionalism and credentials, and means a higher
salary. I HOPE job requirements don't change to "will train you in
everything you need to know!" *l*
Beth G.
Haverhill Public Library
Havwerhill MA
egallawa@concentric.net
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From owner-pubyac@nysernet.org Wed Jun 17 18:43:51 1998
From: Filtering Facts <burt@northwest.com>
ubject: Even I'm Shocked
Richard K. Moore wrote:
>
>
>
> You are a disgrace to your profession and as long as you use lists
>to insult and lie, I'll be right back up in your face. PUBYACers, remember
>who started this.
>
>If you can't get any now, you need some Viagra. You can't
>get a date. Meanwhile I'm making good money, taking long vacations, my
>girlfriend is pretty, and I'm eating well. Maybe you should learn to dance.
>
Speaking as someone who doesn't have a strong opinion one way or another on
this issue, and has participated and witnessed his share of flame wars, I
was shocked by this post.
Shocked because this is a moderated list for youth librarians, not
geeks.trolls.flamers4lib
*****************************************************************************
David Burt President, Filtering Facts
Website: http://www.filteringfacts.org
E-Mail: David_Burt@filteringfacts.org
Phone/Fax: 503 635-7048
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From owner-pubyac@nysernet.org Wed Jun 17 18:45:39 1998
From: Judy Rosenberg <jrosenbe@ascpl.lib.oh.us>
ubject: Kids Click
Wow! I just checked out this site--- many congratulations to Jerry and
Ramapo. Excellent job on this site. I have long been disatisfied with
Yahooligans-- and who does material (site) selection better than librarians?
And of course, Librarians Index to the Internet is a prime model. Way to
go!
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Name: Judith Rosenberg
E-mail: Judith Rosenberg <jrosenbe@ascpl.lib.oh.us>
Date: 6/17/98
Time: 9:35:21 AM
This message was sent by Chameleon
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Judith Campbell Rosenberg
Youth Services Coordinator
Akron-Summit Co. Public Library
55 S. Main St. Akron OH 44326
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From owner-pubyac@nysernet.org Wed Jun 17 18:45:43 1998
From: Smith <lsmith@suffolk.lib.ny.us>
Subject: Qualifications for children's librarian
I knew when I was in library school that I wanted to be a children's
librarian, so I took all of the children's literature and folklore courses
that L.I. University offered.
However, no library school program that I know of teaches the nuts and
bolts of conducting storytime, organizing programs, ordering books, and
managing a toy corner. Some skills need to be learned on the job.
If your library degree is long in the past and you are planning a switch
to children's services, surely a combination of studying on your own and
children's literature courses (if available) would help bring you up to
speed.
No course can teach you to manage a group of 3 year olds in storytime.
Some skills have to be developed by doing.
Lisa Smith
lsmith@suffolk.lib.ny.us
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From owner-pubyac@nysernet.org Wed Jun 17 19:04:39 1998
From: Angela Christianson <achristi@prairienet.org>
ubject: Re: Casey's Insults
I am tired of this. THis is not professional behavior for either the
teaching profession or the library science profession. What does this
gain? NOthing except that we will end up alienating those that are in
the most power to help us. SInce I am a student, I will strive not to
act like this when I am a professional. Even I, at 23 and in library
school, know better than to act like this. Shame on you.
%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%
Angela R. Christianson
University of Illinois at Urbana-Champaign
achristi@prairienet.org
achristi@alexia.lis.uiuc.edu
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From owner-pubyac@nysernet.org Wed Jun 17 19:05:11 1998
From: cp804@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Kara J. Cervelli)
Subject: Flames and Insults
It is truly disheartening to listen to other professionals insult and tear
each other apart in recent postings. The helpful information on summer
programs and shelving of biographies (what this list is all about...) is
overshadowed by usless rantings on internet pornography, filters, and
school vs. public libraries.
Come on gang, let's remember why we are here. Would you really say all of
this if you were face to face with each other? How about a little respect
and a professional attidude?
If this continues, I plan to cancel my subscription.
--
Kara Cervelli - Children's Librarain "wubba, wubba, wubba
Perry Public Library and a woo, woo, woo"
3753 Main St. Perry, OH 44081 -Grover from
cp804@cleveland.freenet.edu Sesame Street-
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From owner-pubyac@nysernet.org Wed Jun 17 19:05:35 1998
From: bwilliams@brdgprtpl.lib.ct.us (Bina Williams)
Subject: RE: Casey's Insults
I must have been sleeping on the job when the beginning of this vitriol
started...
It seems to me that school librarians and public librarians each see the
other's jobs as having greener grass. We all are in the
information/children business and we need to celebrate our similarities AND
our differences.
For the school librarian, remember that the public libraries (we hope) have
already introduced children to books in both personal and interpersonal
ways. Our pre-school story hours help pave the way for what schools will be
doing later.
The public librarian needs to remember that the school libarians (if the
school is lucky enough to heve one) may not get the same types of support
staff-wise that we do in a public library. The budgets there are no better
than ours.
If we are to succeed at creating a Nation of Readers and all the other
literacy initiatives that seem to come and go, we need to band together to
fight our common "enemies" which include indifferent or lazy parents,
television shows that numb the minds of our children, and the pervasive
desire for quick solutions rather than extensive and sustained plans.
Let's collaborate with trust and respect for each other, rather than flame
each other at any and all opportunities!
Bina Williams
Bridgeport Public Library
(Yep, these are MY opinions only! Not BPL's.)
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From owner-pubyac@nysernet.org Wed Jun 17 19:06:19 1998
From: KRIPARANIR@Queens.Lib.NY.US
Subject: DO WE HAVE TO READ THIS?!!!?
I SEE THAT THERE ARE SOME "LIBRARIANS" WHO EXCHANGE FOUL LANGUAGE ON
THE NET
THROUGH PUBYAC....DO THE REST OF US HAVE TO TAKE THAT? COULD THESE PEOPLE
PLEASE DO IT OFF THE LIST? I AM A LIBRARIAN, AND I DON'T THINK I WANT TO BE ONE
IF I AM GOING TO BE CLASSED WITH PEOPLE WHO CANNOT BE DECENT OR CONFORM TO THE
STANDARDS OF PROPRIETY!
RANI RAGHAVAN
QBPL
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From owner-pubyac@nysernet.org Wed Jun 17 19:06:38 1998
From: Guarria <cguarria@suffolk.lib.ny.us>
Subject: Re: library as parent
Mr. Burt wrote...
> The community will not entrust the library to be a safe place for
> children if it becomes the equivalent of an adult bookstore...
>
No adult should EVER just assume the library is a safe place for children.
There are risks and dangers everywhere, even in public libraries where
there may be things parents would prefer their kids not see. That's just
reality. Most libraries (or mine anyway) have
signs posted warning that "the library does not assume responsibility for
children's safety or behavior when they are in the library". Why
should this policy be different for internet usage? Risks are
part of life and even if every computer had filters, and every
librarian diligently held children's hands as they searched,
there is always a possibility a child may see something the
parent doesn't approve of. I have an acquaintence who was extremely
upset when her 6-year-old daughter casually and innocently mentioned the
word "penis" to her and made it clear that her daughter was not to
discuss
such things. She apparently feels that her daughter's knowlege of
anything sexual is taboo, even something as basic as anatomy. And who am I
to say she's wrong (although I think she is). No filter would protect this
girl from finding basic, scientific information on the human body on the
internet, nor should it. Ergo the problem: What one parent thinks is fine,
even preferable for their child to know another parent would strongly
object to.
Carrie Guarria
cguarria@suffolk.lib.ny.us
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From owner-pubyac@nysernet.org Wed Jun 17 19:10:35 1998
From: "Bill and Kathy Crawford" <kcrawford@kih.net>
Subject: Adoption books for naturally born child
Dear pubyacers, I have some families in my area who are planning to adopt a
Chinese child, and they already have children of their own. These children
range in ages from 3 to 7. They are looking for books to share to prepare
them for the adoption, and they need them soon, because the social worker
will soon be talking to the children. Most of the books I know are for the
adopted child. Does anyone have suggestions? Please contact me directly at:
kathy_crawford@hotmail.com
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From owner-pubyac@nysernet.org Wed Jun 17 19:10:51 1998
From: JoAnne Dearin <dearin@noblenet.org>
Subject: GENDER IDENTITY
Hi...had a patron come in yesterday looking for a book to help an 8 year
old boy, as the patron put it "thinks he is a girl". Does anyone know
of
any books/sources that could be helpful???
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JoAnne Dearin | Peabody Institute Library
Children's Librarian | Danvers, Massachusetts
dearin@noblenet.org | *North of Boston Library Exchange*
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From owner-pubyac@nysernet.org Wed Jun 17 19:11:14 1998
From: Susan LaFantasie <susanlaf@pcl1.pcl.lib.wa.us>
Subject: general interest magazine for young men
Thanks to those of you who responded. It appears there is no such beast
. . . how discouraging.
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From owner-pubyac@nysernet.org Wed Jun 17 19:11:11 1998
From: Janette Johnston <jj@round-rock.tx.us>
ubject: stumper - Great Brain
Thank you so much for the many and prompt answers to my question about the
series set in the late 1800's or early 1900's about the two brothers. It is
the Breat Brain series by John Fitagerald. My patron will be thrilled. We do
own all the series.
I was hoping it wouldn't be one of those times where I would say, of course,
I should have known. Obviously , I hadn't read them. I'll add them to my
list--they came highly recommended. So many books, so little time!
Janette Johnston
Children's Services Coordinator
Round Rock Public Library
216 E. Main
Round Rock, Tx 78664
512-218-7002
FAX: 512-218-7061
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From owner-pubyac@nysernet.org Wed Jun 17 19:31:38 1998
From: Kathy Buzzard <kbuzzard@explorer3.pioneer.lib.ok.us>
Subject: Brochures for new mothers
Our library is looking at working with our local
hospital and putting together a brochure, pamphlet or
flyer to send out with new mothers leaving the hospital.
We want to put together something that tells the importance
of reading to newborns. Has anyone done anything similar?
Any comments, ideas would be greatly appreciated. Please
send directly to me at kbuzzard@explorer3.pioneer.lib.ok.usah
Thanks
Kathy
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From owner-pubyac@nysernet.org Wed Jun 17 19:55:25 1998
From: Mary Ann Gilpatrick <magilpat@zelda.walnet.walla-walla.wa.us>
ubject: Re: Update on Boys/Girls and Sex
The whole questioning of Kinsey decades after his death strikes me as
suspect just because these stories surfaced when any contemporary data is
long corrupted. Think for one minute about who might be interested in
discrediting Kinsey, and anything which flows from him. The story at the
time was that he was a botanist drafted into teaching the sex course at his
place of employment, and the lack of any actual scientific data on the
subject struck his scientist nerve.
Any objective scientists out there who can shed light, NOT HEAT, on the
revisionism of Kinsey?
Mary Ann Gilpatrick
Young Peoples' Librarian
Walla Walla Public Library
238 E. Alder
Walla Walla, WA 99362
509-527-4550
fax: 509-527-3748
magilpat@walnet.walla-walla.wa.us
opinions my own, not WWPL, etc etc
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From owner-pubyac@nysernet.org Wed Jun 17 19:55:26 1998
From: PUBYAC Moderator <pyowner@pallasinc.com>
Subject: Re: Casey's Insults
I'm not going to re-copy here the post to Mr. Casey. However, with any
post that is as vituperative as this post was, you all need to remember
one thing:
A flame is like a soliloquy: it says much more about the person writing
the words than it does about the person it describes.
You as subscribers have a choice: fan the flame or ignore it. Apply
oxygen and the fire will grow bigger. Take away the fuel, and it will
die.
PUBYAC is a moderated list. Moderated does not mean censored. I
understand from an editorial in Library Journal that Mr. Burt voluntarily
removed himself from ALAOIF listserve because his views on filtering
caused him to receive blistering and offensive rebuttals. He has decided
he will not resubscribe to ALAOIF until it is moderated. I was saddened
and somewhat alarmed to read that. Saddened because dialogue has been
curtailed, alarmed because of the view that "moderated" in some
people's
minds means a moderator will filter (if you will) discussion on a topic.
As moderator of PUBYAC, I don't stop discussion of issues. I don't stop
vituperative comments. That is not my role. You are all adults. You
all, in fact, moderate this list's tone. PUBYAC takes care of itself.
Yes, I redirect Stumper answers, and I limit advertising. But these are
policy decisions. You can't make policy on discussion. And discussion of
issues is the lifeblood of PUBYAC. Hold that in trust.
Shannon VanHemert
PUBYAC Moderator
pyowner@pallasinc.com
PUBYAC Web page: http://www.pallasinc.com/pubyac
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From owner-pubyac@nysernet.org Wed Jun 17 20:32:22 1998
From: Dana Campbell <danac@siuslaw.lib.or.us>
Subject: elephant craft -Reply
A craft I have seen was two giant elephant ears attanched to a head
band. You can free hand the pattern for the elephant ears. Head band
is about 2 inches wide. One person who I saw do this also accordian
folded a long piece of paper and attached it to the front of the band for
an elephant trunk. Really basic craft but could be the effect that you
want.
I try to do the elephants in a variety of colors...pink, gray, blue, green,
etc.
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From owner-pubyac@nysernet.org Wed Jun 17 20:50:36 1998
From: Jeri Kladder <jkladder@freenet.columbus.oh.us>
ubject: Re: Casey's Insults
Was this extremely NOT NICE response really necessary? Resorting
to ignorant hyperbole doesn't really convince anybody of anything. And it
doesn't make you look very intelligent, or nice, either. So what did you
accomplish? - jeri
Jeri Kladder, Children's Librarian & Storyteller
jkladder@freenet.columbus.oh.us
Columbus Metropolitan Library
Columbus, Ohio
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From owner-pubyac@nysernet.org Wed Jun 17 21:26:27 1998
From: WANT2BBOY@aol.com
Subject: Re: Formal training for Children's librarians
I completely agree that most of the training for Children's services comes
from working in Children's services. Most of the courses I've taken at
graduate school are for general librarianship or school media specialists. I
also have only taken 1 course that has dealt with public children's services.
I believe that there is a great need for more public children's service
courses. Why not a children's reference course. Doing reference for
children and YA's is a lot different that doing adult reference. The
collection can sometimes be completely different.
On the job training lets the individual really deal with life in a Children's
Room.
Just my opinion!!
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From owner-pubyac@nysernet.org Wed Jun 17 21:47:23 1998
From: AMY LONG <s_along@MAIL.CLARION.EDU>
ubject: Databases for YAs and children -- help?
Hello everyone!
I'm here to ask for some advise. I am a Library Science at
Clarion University of PA. I'm taking a class in Database Searching and
have to write a report on the use of databases (which DBs are used) by
certain libraries and/or their clintel. I have choosen to report on
databases for YAs and children ad am having trouble finding any. Could I
pick your collective brain for titles and (?) places where they might be
reviewed or I could get information about them? CDROMs are acceptible as
well as online DBS.
Thank you so much for your help! :) Please feel free to e-mail m
through pubyac or by my personal e-mail address!
Amy Long
s_along@mail.clarion.edu
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From owner-pubyac@nysernet.org Wed Jun 17 21:53:14 1998
From: Guarria <cguarria@suffolk.lib.ny.us>
Subject: Re: Syllogisms and netiquette
> > Woe unto us if our profession becomes viewed as one which can be
> > picked up on the job.
I know I'll probably get flamed for this, but I had to respond. In my
opinion, much if not most of what we learn is, in fact, learned on the
job. What we learn in library school, unfortunately, often does not
teach what you practically need to know. Which is why I thank my lucky
stars I began as a trainee. I think this is the case with many
professions. Schooling is terrific for teaching us certain things
(importance of good work habits, dealing with deadlines, how to make the
most of our professional opportunities), and I know my reference sources
class and literature classes were a tremendous help early on, but
there is always something more to be learned, another skill to acquire
which was not covered in library school.
Carrie Guarria
cguarria@suffolk.lib.ny.us
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From owner-pubyac@nysernet.org Wed Jun 17 22:12:36 1998
From: schachtc@lcm.macomb.lib.mi.us
Subject: Re: Formal training for Children's librarians
PU>Added to the lack of pre-graduation employment opportunities is the
PU>lack of training being offered by Library (& Information) studies
PU>programs. My alma mater (University of Michigan) currently offers
PU>only one course that deals specifically with childrens & YA services,
PU>programs, and collections. Are other MILS programs also cutting back
PU>on the number of youth services courses offered? If this is a trend
PU>in the universities, I'm worried about what the future holds.
PU>Any comments?
PU>**************************
PU>* Mindy Schafer *
Mindy - if things have gotten this bad we should ALL be worried about
what the future holds; when I went to Library School at the U. of Wis.
20 + years ago they did MUCH better by us and every year sent quite a
few well qualified people off into the fray. I've often thought that
our field would be especially well suited to an apprenticeship sort of
approach; I'd like to see everybody take a certain core level of
classes, and then spend a couple of years working for somebody
experienced before heading off on their own.
Chuck Schacht
Romeo PL
Romeo, MI.
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From owner-pubyac@nysernet.org Wed Jun 17 22:48:30 1998
From: Norm Bagley <bagleyn@crisny.org>
Subject: Re: Casey's Insults
This is, without a doubt, the most disgusting, insulting, unprofessional
attack that I have ever seen on this list, even more so than the often
ugly filtering debate. Viagra? Can't get a date? What kind of garbage
is this? I am appalled.
-- Norm Bagley, M.L.S.
Children's Librarian
Waterford Public Library
bagleyn@crisny.org
On Tue, 16 Jun 1998 RichardGuy@aol.com wrote:
>
>
> That's right, Casey -- what YOU do is NOT education. What YOU
> mostly do is repeat yourself, endlessly. As a public librarian what you do
on
> the job is FETCH. Go get that book, boy. Takes an MLS to do that? To
> pretend you do more is to overvalue the babysitting you do afterschool and
> during the summers for a fraction of the kids we deal with. You keep them
off
> the streets. Gosh. So does the Seven Eleven, and with many of the same
> methods, only they make a profit at it.
>
> You are a disgrace to your profession and as long as you use lists
> to insult and lie, I'll be right back up in your face. PUBYACers, remember
> who started this.
>
>
> You spew:
> >>>>public librarians who are *working with kids* more hours
per year than
> teachers............
> You don't have a clue. By the time you open your front door, I've
> been at work for three hours. Actually letting them in, not opening my mail
> and waiting 'til the clock strikes 10. They ALL come in, all day long, not
> just those who wander by because they have no place to be. You could keep
> your place open 24 hours a day and you wouldn't see the numbers or put in
the
> time because..................they are in school! Here's your sign.
>
> >>>>Public libraries are undertaking these challenges right now
with a
> miniscule fraction of the money available to local public school districts.
>
> Can't sell the program, Jim? Finding out what you're worth? Lots
> of PLs out there manage to pass their local levies. Why won't your
customers
> back you? Are they as tired of you and your whining as I am? We're in a
> booming economy. If you can't get any now, you need some Viagra. You can't
> get a date. Meanwhile I'm making good money, taking long vacations, my
> girlfriend is pretty, and I'm eating well. Maybe you should learn to dance.
>
>
> Richard K. Moore, Librarian
> Bolsa Grande High School
> Garden Grove, CA
> Email: RichardGuy@AOL.COM
>
>
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From owner-pubyac@nysernet.org Wed Jun 17 22:47:58 1998
From: "Lorie J. O'Donnell" <odonnell@borg.com>
Subject: Re: Casey's Insults
Is this flaming truly necessary? This has always been a list where we
respect each other and still are able to discuss issues. Now, all of a
sudden, I am saddened to find the level of discussion dropped to the
juvenile level of other lists (many of which I left for that very
reason). I have always enjoyed the debates and information trading on
this list, and I find it a very valuable resource to my job. I would
hate to have a few immature bullies ruin it for the rest of us! If
you have nothing constructive to add to the discussion, why even join
it?! This garbage belongs in a private e-mail, if anywhere.
And, Richard, you really don't know about public librarianship if those
are your views of what we do. Before you attack a whole side of your
own chosen profession, you should really get the facts! This is no
place for personal attacks or vendettas.
Lorie
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"I hope we never lose sight of one thing.
That this was all started by a mouse" Walt Disney
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From owner-pubyac@nysernet.org Wed Jun 17 23:01:08 1998
From: Jennifer Pepper <Jennifer.Pepper@state.me.us>
Subject: Rudeness
I am a fairly new subscriber to pubyac. I signed up because I hoped
to exchange useful ideas and intelligent discussion with others in my
chosen profession. While I have certainly found some of what I was
looking for (and am quite impressed by the knowledge of literature and
programming possessed by many pubyac subscribers), I am greatly
saddened by the vituperative attacks perpetrated by several pubyackers
upon others.
Does anyone really feel that name-calling, personal insults, and
written tantrum-throwing is appropriate behavior between professional
adults? It would seem to me that the way to be a credit to our
profession is to support one another (no matter which area of
librarianship we each choose - we are ALL important to our
communities) and encourage each other's ideas.
The appalling immaturity (not to mention complete lack of logic)
required for one to claim that someone who disagrees with him must
need Viagra is astonishing to me. And then to declare himself
superior because he has a "pretty girlfriend" - as if that is a badge
of honor for HIM??!! (How very proud this girlfriend must be to know
that this is the only quality she possesses which he finds makes her
worth mentioning). What on Earth do such irrelevant and nasty attacks
have to do with librarianship (which is, after all, what we are
supposedly here to discuss). At the risk of being accused of joining
the name-calling fray, I must say that this entire diatribe sounded
very much like ones I have heard between angry 7th-grade boys trying
to get the better of each other. I would like to hope that we could
expect more from our colleagues in this profession.
No, we do not need to be reminded to "remember who started this" as
our e-mail is clogged by tantrum-swapping. Much like the mother who
is fed up with her squabbling children, we don't care who started it.
We just can't wait for them to grow up enough to realize that bad
behavior is never justified because "he started it".
Jennifer Pepper
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From owner-pubyac@nysernet.org Wed Jun 17 23:05:11 1998
From: torrie@ci.burlington.wa.us (Torrie Hodgson Children's Librarian)
ubject: Re: summer reading clubs
>The mission of keeping non-readers reading over the summer is a noble one,
but
>how often do we reach those kids? Since SRC is voluntary, those are the kids
>least likely to join... especially if we burden them with lots of rules and
>quotas.
>
I agree with many of your sentiments. There are ways you can incorporate
interest and do-ability and responsibility into your reading clubs. Here
are some of the ideas I have tried with fairly good success:
Make your reading goals achievable by every child, regardless of reading
ability. We require at least one hour per week of reading OR listening to
reading. Many families have instituted reading aloud time so the times
count for all children in a family. Any kid who wants to can complete our
program. We do offer small prizes as incentives, and parents have told us
that the prizes got their kids started reading when nothing else would.
Have great performances and workshops to draw people into the library. I
don't make these programs contingent on reading, being a member of the
library, or being active in the reading club. Many times, it will lead to
new library members, or at the very least, all the related books will check
out. (i.e. all the magic books, origami books, reptile books, etc.)
Emphasize how all reading over the summer counts. Read trash novels, issues
of Sports Illustrated, or something ambitious like _War and peace_. Kids
don't have much time for pleasure reading during the school year, why should
we dictate what they read over the summer? More and more classes are
requiring summer reading for their students anyway. Why not earn prizes by
doing reading that has to be done anyway?
Make the library a fun place. Have games, discussions, individual
activities, colorful decorations, volunteer opportunities, food, and
whatever else it takes to counteract that negative school year impression.
(Coming in at the last minute to do a poorly designed project that we have
no resources for....ugh! No wonder we have to work so hard to prove that we
are fun.)
Of course we do need to generate statistics. When we keep statistics, we
can justify spending scarce dollars on a much-needed program. I can
honestly tell my board that my number of participants has grown 5% each year
for the past three years, and that the cost per participant has remained
static despite the rising costs of printing, books, and prizes. They then
will give me the extra funding I need to continue this obviously needed and
popular program.
Sorry to ramble on. I hope it is helpful. I really believe in the
importance of a summer reading program, especially since I participated in
them (reluctantly at first) when I was a child.
Torrie Hodgson 8)
Torrie Hodgson, Amazon librarian from the avocado jungle!
Burlington Public Library
900 East Fairhaven Ave
Burlington, WA 98233
Phone (360) 755-0760 Fax (360) 755-0717
torrie@ci.burlington.wa.us
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