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From: "PUBYAC: PUBlic librarians serving Young Adults and Children" <pubyac@prairienet.org>
To: "PUBYAC: PUBlic librarians serving Young Adults and Children" <pubyac@prairienet.org>
Sent: Saturday, February 08, 2003 9:50 AM
Subject: PUBYAC digest 1015


    PUBYAC Digest 1015

Topics covered in this issue include:

  1) animals/pets in library
by "Wendy Rosenfeld" <rosenfeldw@pbclibrary.org>
  2) Re: (Fwd) Re: Newbery and Caldecott winners
by "Linette Ivanovitch" <linette@missoula.lib.mt.us>
  3) E-Books for kids
by "Moffitt, Gina" <GMoffitt@city.newport-beach.ca.us>
  4) Re: summer reading time limits
by "Terry Lambert, Youth Services Coordinator"
<lamberte@oplin.lib.oh.us>
  5) Re: Vibe magazine opinions
by "Richard Grooms" <rgrooms@bham.lib.al.us>
  6) Re: Vibe magazine opinions
by nkoebel@birchard.lib.oh.us
  7) Planning Parties
by Tracie Partridge <traciep@wichita.lib.ks.us>
  8) Re: Smelly Books
by Susan Wizinsky <swizinsk@gfn.org>
  9) Re: Smelly Books
by Margaret Siebert <psiebert12508@yahoo.com>
 10) Re: milk allergies, ADA, and storytime
by Susan Wizinsky <swizinsk@gfn.org>
 11) Character plaques
by "Andrea Johnson" <ajohnson@cooklib.org>
 12) RE: summer reading time limits
by Penny Bohlen <penny@warrenville.com>
 13) Re: Behavior signs
by Nadine <read2kdz@yahoo.com>
 14) Super Diaper Baby #2
by "Christine L. Tyner" <tynercl@yahoo.com>
 15) Re: Free Comic Book Day
by Margaret Siebert <psiebert12508@yahoo.com>
 16) RE: Newbery and Caldecott winners
by karen maletz <kmlib@yahoo.com>
 17) 'looking over' manuscripts
by Molly LaPlante <mollylaplante@yahoo.com>
 18) RE: Behavior signs
by "Andrea Johnson" <ajohnson@cooklib.org>
 19) Newbery criteria
by Angela Reynolds <angelar@wccls.lib.or.us>
 20) Re: Behavior signs
by Margaret Siebert <psiebert12508@yahoo.com>
 21) Re: summer reading time limits
by "Becky Smith" <BSMITH@loganutah.org>
 22) Themed Scavenger Hunt (LOTR)
by "HOW Rebecca Smith" <howrs@llcoop.org>
 23) Behavior signs
by <laanders@bellsouth.net>
 24) Re: Library Cheer
by Cora Willis-King <onceuponastory_mbcpl@yahoo.com>
 25) Stumper thanks
by Charlette Jouan <cmjouan@yahoo.com>
 26) Re: Where are you putting the Newbery winners?
by "M. N." <mellifur@cox.net>

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From: "Wendy Rosenfeld" <rosenfeldw@pbclibrary.org>
To: <pubyac@prairienet.org>
Subject: animals/pets in library
Date: Sat,  8 Feb 2003 10:20:34 CST


Does anyone have a written policy they could share about having =
animals/pets in the library building for special programming?

Wendy Rosenfeld
Youth Services Coordinator
Palm Beach County Library System
3650 Summit Blvd.
West Palm Beach, Florida 33406-4198
Tel. 561-233-2745
FAX 561-233-2627

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From: "Linette Ivanovitch" <linette@missoula.lib.mt.us>
To: pubyac@prairienet.org
Subject: Re: (Fwd) Re: Newbery and Caldecott winners
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Date: Sat,  8 Feb 2003 10:20:44 CST

If interested, y'all can visit the official Newbery site and read the Terms
and Criteria for the award:

http://www.ala.org/alsc/newbery_terms.html

Linette Ivanovitch
YA Librarian
Missoula, MT 59802

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From: "Moffitt, Gina" <GMoffitt@city.newport-beach.ca.us>
To: "'pubyac@prairienet.org'" <pubyac@prairienet.org>
Subject: E-Books for kids
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Date: Sat,  8 Feb 2003 10:20:52 CST

Hi folks,
I'm wondering if any of you out there offer ebooks for your young patrons.
What have you used? What are your responses/experiences? Useful, not useful?
Thanks for your time.
Gina
gmoffitt@city.newport-beach.ca.us

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From: "Terry Lambert, Youth Services Coordinator" <lamberte@oplin.lib.oh.us>
To: pubyac@prairienet.org
Subject: Re: summer reading time limits
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H Lorraine,
I started the kids keeping track of time, as opposed to books, just last
year. I have five hours as a completion time. That might seem low, but
like you said, how much time is a lot of time to spend reading. A lot of
kids read picture books in our SRP, think of how many picture books
could be read in an hour! I wish I could read an hour a day! Actually I
probably do, but that's just me. Anyway, each additional hour over the
five, they earn a ticket to enter to win prizes. Incentive to keep
reading, but it doesn't discourage the kids who find lots of things to
do in the summer.I had the teens read for ten hours. It worked well for
me, I'll probably do the same thing this year.
Terry Lambert
Bluffton Public Library

Lorraine Getty wrote:

> This is for those libraries who award summer reading
> incentives based on number of hours or minutes
> read.....
>
> I'm wondering how other libraries arrive at their time
> requirements.  I've heard of some who use a 30 min per
> day, 6 days a week model.....over the course of an
> 8-week program the completion time would be 24 hours.
> Considering kids from the age of 6 up & including
> teens, does anyone base theirs on a different model?
> My library is using a 48 hr completion time for kids
> 6-12 for an 8 week program.  That would require
> reading 1 hour per day 6 days a week, which seems
> commendable, but high to me.  I seriously doubt that
> the staff that has come up with this number reads that
> much themselves, or would even if it meant they would
> earn prizes.  That's not to say that these ladies
> don't read - they do, but I don't know how much
> really.  Although not "librarians,"
>  they are great people and I value their opinions and
> knowledge of the community (this is my second year
> here). Their feeling is they want kids to aim high -
> they like giving nice prizes and so want them to "mean
> something" - again, commendable, but what are your
> philosphies on the topic?
>
> I had thought that I wanted my teens (12 +) to read
> more than the 6-12's, but I don't know.  Is is better
> to have a lower time limit and more kids who
> completed?
>
> Our kids are required to read all year for Accelerated
> Reader points and grades; shouldn't our emphasis be on
> having fun more than working for hours/prizes?  I know
> it depends somewhat on each community, etc, but I
> would appreciate any thoughts on the subject.  Either
> it will give me some ammunition to try to change
> things or else I will just have a better understanding
> of things.
>
> You may email me directly or post online to generate
> more discussion.
>
> Thanks,
> Lorraine Getty
> lgetty1969@yahoo.com
>
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From: "Richard Grooms" <rgrooms@bham.lib.al.us>
To: pubyac@prairienet.org
Subject: Re: Vibe magazine opinions
Date: Sat,  8 Feb 2003 10:21:08 CST

It's one of our most popular magazines here, and we subscribe to over
60. I say get it. We are a regional library serving suburban, small-
town and rural areas. It was also very popular at an inner
city/suburban library I worked at.

----- Original Message -----
From: "Christine L. Tyner" <tynercl@yahoo.com>
Date: Thursday, February 6, 2003 2:56 pm
Subject: Vibe magazine opinions

> Hi. I need help with some information/opinions about a
> magazine.
>
> I had a teen from my advisory board request Vibe
> magazine. The review I read notes that its a bit
> controversial based on its "provocative covers, choice
> of features, opinions of writers and behaviors of
> staff members" (Magazines for Libraries, Mar 15,
> 2000). It also notes that its directed at urban, male
> youth.
>
> I work in a small, suburban branch library. I looked
> through a copy at a store, but wanted to know what
> others thought about it or if anyone has any more
> information for me to chew on. Thanks again! I can be
> reached at tynercl@yahoo.com.

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From: nkoebel@birchard.lib.oh.us
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Subject: Re: Vibe magazine opinions
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Date: Sat,  8 Feb 2003 10:21:18 CST

We chose between Vibe and The Source (the second is pretty much strictly
hip-hop and for more mature audiences).  The covers of both can be pretty
raw - like Rolling Stone sometimes.  The person who made the selection said
Vibe does tend to cover the teeny-bopper age more than The Source.

Nancy Koebel
Birchard Public Library of Sandusky County
nkoebel@birchard.lib.oh.us

----- Original Message -----
From: "Christine L. Tyner" <tynercl@yahoo.com>
Date: Thursday, February 6, 2003 3:56 pm
Subject: Vibe magazine opinions

> Hi. I need help with some information/opinions about a
> magazine.
>
> I had a teen from my advisory board request Vibe
> magazine. The review I read notes that its a bit
> controversial based on its "provocative covers, choice
> of features, opinions of writers and behaviors of
> staff members" (Magazines for Libraries, Mar 15,
> 2000). It also notes that its directed at urban, male
> youth.
>
> I work in a small, suburban branch library. I looked
> through a copy at a store, but wanted to know what
> others thought about it or if anyone has any more
> information for me to chew on. Thanks again! I can be
> reached at tynercl@yahoo.com.
>
> Christine
>
> =====
> Christine L. Tyner
> Betty Warmack Branch Library
> Grand Prairie, TX
> 972-237-5773
> 972-237-5779 fax
> tynercl@yahoo.com
>
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From: Tracie Partridge <traciep@wichita.lib.ks.us>
To: PUBYAC@prairienet.org
Subject: Planning Parties
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Date: Sat,  8 Feb 2003 10:21:25 CST

Hi, everyone.  I want to thank you for all of the wonderful ideas that you
have posted in the past on book-related parties.  In March, we are going to
have a Junie B. Jones party, and I plan on using many of the ideas that you
have mentioned.  However, since it is our first attempt of this kind, we
are understandably a little nervous and could really benefit from the
advice of experts.  In our eyes, if you've done one, you are an expert.  :)
 Basically, how did you make these type of programs run smoothly at your
libraries?  Did you have people register?  If you did, how many did you let
register and did the number you chose work well?  Did you have centers?  If
so, how did you keep the number at each center manageable?  Please just
give me any advice you have.  You can e-mail it to me at
traciep@wichita.lib.ks.us.  Thanks, and I would be glad to post a summary
of the responses to pubyac if there is interest.
Tracie Partridge     
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Tracie Partridge
Children's Center Section Manager        316-261-8594 (v)
Wichita Public Library        316-262-4540 (f)
223 South Main       traciep@wichita.lib.ks.us
Wichita KS 67202    http://www.wichita.lib.ks.us
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From: Susan Wizinsky <swizinsk@gfn.org>
To: Jneedham <jneedham@coventryct.org>
Subject: Re: Smelly Books
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Date: Sat,  8 Feb 2003 10:21:34 CST


Skunk smells anyone?  We had several books returned yesterday smelling of
skunk!  (Our brand new book on John Muir was interestingly enough a victim
along with a couple others!)

Thanks,
Susan


On Thu, 6 Feb 2003, Jneedham wrote:

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> Hi, All!
>
> As children's librarians, I'm sure we've all come across books that have =
> been returned along with funky odors.  Recently, two of our books came =
> back reeking to high heaven of oil or some other vile-smelling substance =
> - hard to identify.  Has anyone out there ever successfully removed the =
> smell of fuel or oil from books?  They look fine, otherwise, and I'd =
> hate to throw them away if they could be saved.  We don't have a tech =
> services department or a technician to ask, and I'm stumped.  I'd really =
> appreciate any feedback or suggestions from the great minds out there.  =
> Thanks!
>
> Jennifer Needham
> Booth & Dimock Memorial Library
> 1134 Main Street
> Coventry, CT 06238
> (860) 742-7606
> E-mail:  jneedham@coventryct.org
>

--

Susan E. Wizinsky, M.S.L.S.
Children's Librarian
Genesee District Library
Grand Blanc-McFarlen Branch
515 Perry Road
Grand Blanc, Michigan 48439
810-694-5310

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From: Margaret Siebert <psiebert12508@yahoo.com>
To: pubyac@prairienet.org
Subject: Re: Smelly Books
Date: Sat,  8 Feb 2003 10:21:43 CST


I understand that the smell of mildew can be removed by enclosing the books
in a plastic bag with moth balls for several days, then leaving them in the
sunshine a while to get out the mothball smell. I don't know if that would
work with your smell, but you might try it.
Peg Siebert
Blodgett Library
Fishkill, NY
 Jneedham <jneedham@coventryct.org> wrote:Hi, All!

As children's librarians, I'm sure we've all come across books that have
been returned along with funky odors. Recently, two of our books came back
reeking to high heaven of oil or some other vile-smelling substance - hard
to identify. Has anyone out there ever successfully removed the smell of
fuel or oil from books? They look fine, otherwise, and I'd      to throw
them away if they could be saved. We don't have a tech services department
or a technician to ask, and I'm stumped. I'd really appreciate any feedback
or suggestions from the great minds out there. Thanks!

Jennifer Needham
Booth & Dimock Memorial Library
1134 Main Street
Coventry, CT 06238
(860) 742-7606
E-mail: jneedham@coventryct.org

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From: Susan Wizinsky <swizinsk@gfn.org>
To: pubyac@prairienet.org
Subject: Re: milk allergies, ADA, and storytime
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I have heard that babies  may be allergic to their mother's breastmilk,
however, if the mother stops drinking cow's milk herself, her milk is then
fine for her infant.

However, as a past and future breastfeeding mother, I still can't figure
out how this man's child would come in contact with another child's
mother's milk during storytime, even if they were nursing right there in
the room.

Susan


On Thu, 6 Feb 2003 nkoebel@birchard.lib.oh.us wrote:

> I would also seek medical advice from a pediatrician as to whether
"mother's
> milk" causes the same allergic reaction as cow milk.  Many infants can be
> fed breast milk but when weaned must go on soy milk due to allergies.
Human
> milk and cow milk while similar do not digest the same in all people.
Many
> people who are lactose intolerant or allergic to milk are only allergic to
> cow milk, not human milk.
>
> Nancy Koebel
> Birchard Public Library of Sandusky County
> nkoebel@birchard.lib.oh.us
>

--

Susan E. Wizinsky, M.S.L.S.
Children's Librarian
Genesee District Library
Grand Blanc-McFarlen Branch
515 Perry Road
Grand Blanc, Michigan 48439
810-694-5310

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From: "Andrea Johnson" <ajohnson@cooklib.org>
To: <pubyac@prairienet.org>
Subject: Character plaques
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Hi all,

I need your help...

I was visiting another library yesterday and they had the coolest book =
character plaque things.  They were of white wood or particle board, cut =
in the shape of the character and the character painted on the front.  =
Theirs were on bases to stand up, but I don't know if they came that way =
(each did have a bracket on the back for wall-mounting.  They had Maisy, =
and Lyle, Lyle Crocodile, and Franklin.  I asked and was told they were =
purchased at Barnes & Noble about 4 years ago.  We examined them =
closely, but they didn't have any identifying info that would point us =
to a manufacturer.

Does anyone know who manufactures these, or where/how they can be =
purchased?  I'd love to get my hands on some, but so far I have had no =
luck tracking them down.

Andrea Johnson
ajohnson@cooklib.org
Cook Memorial Public Library
Libertyville, IL

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From: Penny Bohlen <penny@warrenville.com>
To: "'pubyac@prairienet.org'" <pubyac@prairienet.org>
Subject: RE: summer reading time limits
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We ask for fifteen  (15) minutes a day, or 12 hours over a 8 week period.I
know 15 minutes a day will add up to 14hours, but not everyone will read
every day. This is for the children, Young Adults are asked to read 6 books
to qualify for prizes. If a child read more than the 12 hours they can put
additional chances for the grand prize drawings. We have had children
reading up to 300 hours. We have a grand prize drawing for various ages.
Names are drawn on the last day of the program. Children do not have to be
present to win. Prizes are valued at $75.00. This is from our budget, not
from sponsor. When a child has completed the 12 hours they recieves a book
of their choice, a goody bag with prizes given by different sponsors. I
hope this helps. Warrenville Public Library District, Warrenville,
Illinois. Penny Bohlen, penny@warrenville.com

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From: Nadine <read2kdz@yahoo.com>
To: pubyac@prairienet.org
Subject: Re: Behavior signs
Date: Sat,  8 Feb 2003 10:22:18 CST

Sometimes they actually read the signs, but don't believe it pertains to
them...like the patron who came to my desk 30 min after storytime started
(only 15 min left!) and asked where the program was being held...when I said
"downstairs" (there are verrrry bright green signs posted at eye level on
each entrance stating this!)...she said, "Oh I read the sign, but I didn't
think it meant...."!!!

Nadine (sadly shaking her head in amazement)


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                              Nadine Lipman
                       Head of Children's Services
                         Waterford Public Library
                           49 Rope Ferry Rd.
                          Waterford, CT 06385
                     email: read2kdz@yahoo.com

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From: "Christine L. Tyner" <tynercl@yahoo.com>
To: pubyac@prairienet.org
Subject: Super Diaper Baby #2
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Hi all,

We have been asked several times for the 2nd Super
Diaper Baby at my library. I haven't found it for sale
anywhere (I've checked Books in Print, BWI, and even
Amazon). One of my coworkers was asked for it by
title, "Hurrah for Super Diaper Baby." Am I missing
something? If I am asked again, I'm going to ask if
they've actually seen it, but in the meantime I'm
wondering if one of you can help--has anyone seen or
heard of it?

Thanks,
Christine
tynercl@yahoo.com

=====
Christine L. Tyner
Betty Warmack Branch Library
Grand Prairie, TX
972-237-5773
972-237-5779 fax
tynercl@yahoo.com

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From: Margaret Siebert <psiebert12508@yahoo.com>
To: pubyac@prairienet.org
Subject: Re: Free Comic Book Day
Date: Sat,  8 Feb 2003 10:22:35 CST

Do you have a comic store nearby? My brother has collected comics for years
and I understand from him that there is a right way to store them to
preserve their condition and value. Perhaps the store could help.

Peg Siebert

Blodgett Library

Fishkill, NY

Hi all! Our local comic book store has approached me about partnering for
some publicity and programs for Free Comic Book Day in May. Since we just
"debuted" our graphic novel collection, I said yes in a flash, and now I'm
trying to come up with some fabulous ideas for what to do - so I'm turning
to the most fabulous people I know! To my knowledge we don't have any comic
book artists around here to come and speak, but I've thought about having a
collector come and talk about how to collect and take care of comic books
and maybe a comic book exchange - does anyone have any other ideas or
suggestions? Email me offlist and I'll post a compilation. Thanks!

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From: karen maletz <kmlib@yahoo.com>
To: pubyac@prairienet.org
Subject: RE: Newbery and Caldecott winners
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Date: Sat,  8 Feb 2003 10:22:43 CST

I wonder if it would be that easy to change. Does
anyone know how the committee would go about changing
the age classification?
--- Beverly Bixler <bbixler@sanantonio.gov> wrote:
>
> According to another pubyac poster, the parameters
> of the Newbery Award
> go up to age 14. IMHO, I think that the next Newbery
> committe should
> revise the parameters down to about age 12, now that
> there is a Printz
> Award to honor YA books.
> Beverly Bixler
> bbixler@sanantonio.gov
> San Antonio Public Library, TX
>


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From: Molly LaPlante <mollylaplante@yahoo.com>
To: PUBYAC <pubyac@prairienet.org>
Subject: 'looking over' manuscripts
Date: Sat,  8 Feb 2003 10:22:51 CST

Hello,

I'm sure many of you have been asked by patrons to read and/or edit writing
they hope to submit for publication. How do you handle this? Do you ask for
payment and do it on your own time? Do you just avoid touching it, even with
the proverbial ten-foot pole? The idea makes me a little squeamish, but on
the other hand, I'm glad there are authors out there looking to librarians
as experts. Any thoughts are appreciated!

Molly LaPlante
Children's Librarian
Henderson County Public Library
301 N. Washington St.
Hendersonville, NC 28739
laplante@henderson.lib.nc.us

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From: "Andrea Johnson" <ajohnson@cooklib.org>
To: <pubyac@prairienet.org>
Subject: RE: Behavior signs
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Date: Sat,  8 Feb 2003 10:22:59 CST

Ooh!  This reminds me of a good one!  Sometimes people read signs, but
are just in denial that they apply to them.  When I was an undergrad
working at the U of Illinois library, we had signs posted saying "We
have no change" because we didn't handle any money at the circ. desk,
and the change machines were right across from the desk (about 15 feet
away and in plain sight).  Nevertheless, I'm sure I wasn't the only one
to have a student come up and say, "I know the sign says you have no
change, but do you have change?"

Andrea Johnson
ajohnson@cooklib.org
Cook Memorial Public Library
Libertyville, IL

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From: Angela Reynolds <angelar@wccls.lib.or.us>
To: 'pubyac' <PUBYAC@prairienet.org>
Subject: Newbery criteria
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http://www.ala.org/alsc/newbery.html

Go to the ALSC Newbery website for the official criteria, rules, etc for the
Newbery Award. There is also a link to the Caldecott page which has the same
information. .

Angela J. Reynolds, Youth Services Librarian
Washington County Cooperative Library Services
111 NE Lincoln MS58A
Hillsboro, OR 97124
503-466-1894   fax: 503-615-6601
angelar@wccls.lib.or.us
www.WILInet.wccls.lib.or.us

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From: Margaret Siebert <psiebert12508@yahoo.com>
To: pubyac@prairienet.org
Subject: Re: Behavior signs
Date: Sat,  8 Feb 2003 10:23:15 CST


Our library has a glass front door. Posted at eye level is a sign listing
our hours each day of the week. I once watched a man pull on the locked door
only to find it wouldn't open. (Imagine that!) He then stood on tip-toe to
look over the sign, bent to look under the sign, and leaned left and right
to look around the sign. Guess what he never did. That's it, you've got it.
He never looked AT the sign. He went away shaking his head in confusion.
Never a dull moment!
Peg Siebert
Blodgett Library
Fishkill, NY

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From: "Becky Smith" <BSMITH@loganutah.org>
To: <pubyac@prairienet.org>
Subject: Re: summer reading time limits
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Date: Sat,  8 Feb 2003 10:23:23 CST

We ask the kids to read 20 minutes per day, because that is the same
amount of home reading the local schools ask them to read during the
school year.  It's easier on the kids if we're consistent.


Becky Ann Smith
Youth Services Librarian
Logan Library
Logan, UT
bsmith@loganutah.org

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From: "HOW Rebecca Smith" <howrs@llcoop.org>
To: "Pubyac" <PUBYAC@prairienet.org>
Subject: Themed Scavenger Hunt (LOTR)
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Hi all,
Awhile back I wrote and asked if any of you had ever done a themed scavenger
hunt at your library. Thank you so much for the great ideas. I was able to
make up a fun hunt that the kids loved. It really didn't turn out to be
a "scavenger hunt" but the kids likened it to "supermarket sweep". Here is
how I did mine and I will add the other ideas I received at the end. I broke
the kids up into 2 teams and gave them their 1st clue which incorporated
hints to help them find a book that would help them to solve the clue. They
were encouraged to use the card catalog in order to narrow done their search
and to help them become more familiar with our system. With a couple of the
clues they almost had to come up with the answer of the clue in order to
know
where to find the book but they still had to find the book or they wouldn't
have the next clue. Here are the clues I used (I found the core of the clue
on the web at http://groups.msn.com/iltsu96vrs5p2g9u31k5thsv85/riddles.msnw
but there are a ton of sites with LOTR riddles on them as you can see if you
type in Lord of the Rings riddles into a search bar) and then I used Gollum
and Bilbo's clues as well. I only used a total of 6 for each team because of
the length of time I had which was about 30-45 minutes for this part of the
program. Here are the clues I used and the book that I placed the clue in so
that you will have an idea where to put yours even though in some cases you
will have to change the wording if you use a different book.

Team A:

Clue 1:
I shoot yet I am no bow
I've a tail that always shows
I tend to fall but I've no pain
And I am known by many names
That you can find with space information
In a book on the shelf in the junior section
I guide those whose way they loose
My face is red, white, or blue.
What am I ?

Answer: Star

I just gave this to the team to begin the hunt and then I put clue 2 in a
book about stars (with space information) in the junior non-fiction area.

Clue 2:
It cannot be seen, cannot be felt,
Cannot be heard, cannot be smelt.
I am used to describe batman
Of whom many of you are a fan.
It lies behind stars and under hills,
And empty holes it fills.
It comes first and follows after,
Ends life, kills laughter.
What am I ?

Answer: Dark

They found this clue in the book about stars in the junior non-fiction area
and I put clue 3 in a graphic novel we have called "Batman: The Dark Knight
Returns" in the YA section.

Clue 3:
Hands I have yet naught they touch
People depend on me too much
If there is none, they tend to run
I like to fly when having fun.
You can watch a kid's video marked with an H
That was made to teach.
What am I ?

Answer: Time

They found this clue in the graphic novel we have called "Batman: The Dark
Knight Returns" in the YA section and I put clue 4 in a non-fiction video
about Time in the children's area--it was marked H because it is part of a
series of videos we carry called "Hullabaloo ______".

Clue 4:
Voiceless it cries,
Wingless flutters,
Toothless bites,
Mouthless mutters.
Eyewitness book number twenty-eight
Holds the key to your fate.
What am I ?

Answer: Wind

They found the clue in a non-fiction video about Time in the children's
area--
it was marked H because it is part of a series of videos we carry
called "Hullabaloo ______" and I placed clue 5 (like a bookmark on a page
that talked about wind) in a Dorling Kindersley Eyewitness Book (#28)
called "Weather" by Brian Cosgrove.

Clue 5:
Thirty white horses on a red hill,
First they champ,
Then they stamp,
Then they stand still.
You'll find the answer in the 612's
Without the help of elf's.
What am I ?

Answer: Teeth

They found this clue in placed like a bookmark on a page that talked about
wind in a Dorling Kindersley Eyewitness Book (#28) called "Weather" by Brian
Cosgrove and I put clue 6 in any book in the 612 section with teeth in the
title depending on how big your library is you may want to specify whether
you put it in the junior or adult section.

Clue 6:
A box without hinges, key, or lid,
Yet golden treasure inside is hid.
An easy reader with my name and labeled P Cox
Can be found in the slot next to B for box.
What am I ?

Answer: Egg

They found this clue in any book in the 612 section with teeth in the title
depending on how big your library is you may want to specify whether you put
it in the junior or adult section and I placed a slip of paper
marked "Congratulations-you fought bravely! You have kept your honor!!" in a
picture book in our easy reader ABC cube called "Big Egg" by Molly Cox.

Team B:

Clue 1:
I shoot yet I am no bow
I've a tail that always shows
I tend to fall but I've no pain
And I am known by many names
That you can find with space information
In a book on the shelf in the adult section
I guide those whose way they loose
My face is red, white, or blue.
What am I ?

Answer: Star

I just gave this to the team to begin the hunt and then I put clue 2 in a
book about stars in the adult non-fiction area.

Clue 2:
What has roots as nobody sees,
Is taller than trees
Up, up it goes,
And yet it never grows?
There's a bunch of us that can found between
Volumes twelve and fifteen
In the reference section
We will be mentioned.
What am I ?

Answer: Mountain

I put this clue in any book about stars (with space information) in the
adult
non-fiction area and I put clue 3 in the World Book Encyclopedia #13 in the
reference section and book marked the mountain page.

Clue 3:
My roots grow deep yet no soil they touch
Many limbs I have, young twigs and such
You can find out how to research the roots and track
With this book called Reaching Back
Die I may, and old become
Yet more are born to replace the one.
What am I ?

Answer: Family

They found this clue in the World Book Encyclopedia #13 in the reference
section and book marked at the mountain page and I put clue 4 in a book
called Reaching back in the genealogy section or family history area.

Clue 4:
My mouth is large or small, is shone
My long fangs are made of stone
I seem to eat those who come in
My home, the earth, I live within.
A book for kids by Anabel Dean
Is where pictures of me can be seen.
What am I ?

Answer: Cave

They found this clue in a book called Reaching back in the genealogy section
or family history area and I put clue 5 in Anabel Dean's "Going Underground"
in the junior non-fiction area (placed like a bookmark in a page that talks
about caves).

Clue 5:
This thing all things devours:
Birds, beasts, trees, flowers;
Gnaws iron, bites steel;
Grinds hard stones to meal;
Slays king, ruins town,
And beats high mountain down.
You can learn more about me
With an oversized book marked LLE.
What am I ?

Answer: Time

They found this clue in Anabel Dean's "Going Underground" in the junior non-
fiction area (placed like a bookmark in a page that talks about caves) and I
placed clue 6 in our oversized book called " My First Book of Time" by
Claire
Llewellyn.

Clue 6:
Alive without breath,
As cold as death;
Never thirsty, ever drinking,
All in mail never clinking.
An Ultimate Encyclopedia by Mary Bailey
Can help you with the answer-really.
What am I ?

Answer: Fish

They found this clue in our oversized book called " My First Book of Time"
by
Claire Llewellyn and I placed a slip of paper marked "Congratulations-you
fought bravely! You have kept your honor!!" in a  book called "The Ultimate
Encyclopedia of Aquarium Fish and Fish Care" by Mary Bailey.

The reason it sounds so repetitive is because I had a hard time keeping the
order of things as I was putting it together and it worked better when I
wrote it out this way. I am sure that you will have to adjust your clues to
fit your own library and your collection. As you can see the clues do not
always have to rhyme well. If I did it again I would end using a clue with
an
answer being ring but I just didn't think of it until we doing it.

Now here are the other responses I received:
We have some of the same constraints you face, including a limited number of
on-line catalogs for the students to access.  Our tours must be done during
the library's open hours, so we are trying to focus on giving students a
general sense of what the library has to offer (books and more!) and where
it
is located in the library. The scavenger test is as yet untested, tours
begin
in March for the upper grades.
We are working on a library scavenger hunt called "By the Numbers".  I used
the state report and other sources (and resources) to collect factoids about
our library. After we tour the library and point out where the biographies
are, etc. we will give each student a sheet with ten scavenger hunt type
questions.  A typical question might be "How many children's videos does the
___________ Library own? "  The students are directed to the children's
video
section where a placard will give the correct answer.  We plan on having a
bit of fun with this too just as "The library director's name is Mary P.
Jones. What does the P. stand for?"  They would look (of course) in the
biography section for the answer.
Another component of the program, if we can fit it in, is called "Libraries
Speak Librarian-ese (and you can too!)  This is a list of all the little
idiosyncratic letters and numbers we list in the catalog.  J=Juvenile,
ER=Easy Reader, etc. etc. etc. Write if you'd like a paper sample.
beth werking
<bewerking@yahoo.com>

I have held several themed scavenger hunts, but the kids use the online
catalogs.  The whole idea of the hunt is to learn how to do searches in the
catalog and then find the materials in the library.  When they find the
right thing, there is a theme related activity to do.

RoseMary Honnold
Coshocton Public Library
655 Main ST
Coshocton, OH 43812
740-622-0956
honnolro@oplin.lib.oh.us

Put the teens in pairs like Frodo and Sam
Could make the quest to find Mount Doom and end up at  a volcano book or
video.
The staff could be there to help (Gladrielle) or disrupt (Ringwraiths)
Moria-mining books
Ents - tree books
Farmer Maggott- mushrooms
They could make up poem for Tom Bombadil to get next clue
Divide the library into sections: Shire, Helms Deep, Mordor, Gondor,
Ravendell, Dead Marshes, Rohan, Fangorn Forest, etc.
They could have to make jewelry out of found objects
Ugliest Halloween mask - thinking Orcs
Match Sauron in battle of wit/riddles

Sarah Cofer
Young Adult Librarian
Northwest Library
2280 Hard Rd.
Columbus, OH 43235
scofer@worthingtonlibraries.org
(614)645-2656


Again Thank You so much for the wonderful I ideas. If any of you use other
riddles to make a hunt or add to the one I did please share them with the
rest of us:)

Becca Smith
Youth Services
howrs@llcoop.org
Reynolds Township Library
Howard City, MI 49329
(231)937-5575

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From: <laanders@bellsouth.net>
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Subject: Behavior signs
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Date: Sat,  8 Feb 2003 10:49:14 CST

One of my favorite stories about the public ignoring signs happened when I
worked at one of our branches.  I came into the children's area to find a
mother with her children at one of the tables.  They were having a picnic
lunch.  She was incredulous when I told her about the "no eating in the
library" rule.

Linda Anderson
Nashville Public Library
laanders@bellsouth.net

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From: Cora Willis-King <onceuponastory_mbcpl@yahoo.com>
To: pubyac@prairienet.org
Subject: Re: Library Cheer
Date: Sat,  8 Feb 2003 10:49:25 CST

Florica, Hope this cheer helps. I could have sworn there was one listed in
Caroline Feller Bauer's Book, but  I can't seem to find it now, perhaps
someone else out there may know of the one that I'm referring too. Good luck
with your program! L-I-B-R-A-R-Y Cheer by Garrison Keillor
Where do you go for the poetry?  L-I-B-R-A-R-Y
Where do you go for the history?  L-I-B-R-A-R-Y
Where do you go if you're old and shy?
Where do you go to learn how to fly?
L-I-B-R-A-R-Y
That's how you spell it,
Whatcha gonna tell it?
It's been in your town for a hundred years.
Let's give the library three big cheer:
Hip-hip-hurray!
Hip-hip-hurray!
Hip-hip-hurray!


Cora Willis-King

Middlesborough-Bell Co. Public Library

Middlesboro, Kentucky

onceuponastory_mbcpl@yahoo.com

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From: Charlette Jouan <cmjouan@yahoo.com>
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Subject: Stumper thanks
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Date: Sat,  8 Feb 2003 10:49:33 CST

Many thanks to everyone who answered my stumper about
the man swallowing the sea.  (In no particular order)
Susan Dailey
Donna Scott
Mandy Lundstrom
Ceclia Swanson
Mary Thorton
Mary D'Eliso
Deborah Crabill
Julie Ann Rines
Amy Joslyn
Theresa Maturevich
Sandy
Nicole Morgan
Elaine Morgan
Laura Matheny

The answer was the Five Chinese Brothers by Claire
Bishop. My patron will be thrilled!

Have a good weekend everyone.
Charlette


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From: "M. N." <mellifur@cox.net>
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Subject: Re: Where are you putting the Newbery winners?
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Date: Sat,  8 Feb 2003 10:49:40 CST

Yes, but do you think the PRIMARY audience is a ten year old? Do you think
it's PRIMARY place is the Children's Department?

Miriam



At 02:55 PM 2/6/03 -0600, you wrote:
>On 2/4/03 7:26 PM, "M. N." <mellifur@cox.net> wrote:
>
> > NO, NO, NO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!  Books that are YA belong in YA, NOT in the
> > Children's Department. And the Newbery Award is for ages up to 14, which
> > means that some YA books *are* given Newbery consideration.
>(snip)
>
>I agree with this completely.  Reading level, interest, intended audience
>and content should be the determining factors of where a book is cataloged
>and placed.  That said.....
>
>Yes, I would, and did recommend The Giver to many 4th and 5th Grade
>students, and that was before the awards were announced.  And I also
>recommend other YA borderline books to other kids.  Maybe a 12 year old
>would get more out of it, but that doesn't mean the 10 year old who is
>interested shouldn't read it.  (Hopefully I got even more out of it than
the
>12 year olds, but I wouldn't want to make them wait to read it.)  If a kid
>is interested in a book, let him read it.  If he/she wants to read it again
>in a few years to get more out of it, all the better.
>
>
>
>
>(snip)
> > Newbery Award aside, would you think a ten year
> > old would get as much out of THE GIVER as a twelve year old? (Please
don't
> > tell me, "My fourth grader loved it." That's not the issue, and still
begs
> > the question, "But would s/he have loved it MORE had s/he read it three
> > years later? How much more would s/he have understood and gotten out of
> > it?")
> >
> >
> > M. Neiman
> > neiman@glasct.org
> > Welles-Turner Memorial Library
> > Glastonbury, CT
> > http://www.wtmlib.com
> >
> > The opinions expressed do not necessarily reflect those of my
>organization.
> >
> >
>
>Lorie J. O'Donnell
>Children's Librarian
>Jervis Public Library
>Rome, NY   13440
>lodonnell@midyork.org
>--
>
>"Censorship, like charity, should begin at home; but unlike charity, it
>should end there."
>             Clare Booth Luce

M. Neiman
neiman@glasct.org
Welles-Turner Memorial Library
Glastonbury, CT
http://www.wtmlib.com

The opinions expressed do not necessarily reflect those of my organization.

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